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Pretty sure employees would benefit from a union. It's too little too late for whatever this is trying to be, IMO.

by scrum-treats 3y ago

QuinnyPig 3y ago
You might want to research German employment law a bit more...
- scrum-treats 3y ago
  Majority of Amazon employees exist outside Germany.
  - throwaccthrow 3y ago
    Well this is about Germany specifically
Argorak 3y ago
This is a German works council, which is the most common outcome of a unionization effort: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_council#Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_council#Germany Its creation can be forced by a vote of the employees and the council has a legal special status. This probably comes as a reaction to multiple distribution centers around Germany doing exactly that and forcing the creation of local work councils with the help of unions.
k__ 3y ago
Often union members are elected into works councils. It's basically like a government of the company and a union is just another party that can get elected.
- jwildeboer 3y ago
  In the German IT world no. Unions are not needed for a works council. Our works council has 11 members of which one is a union member. 10 are not.
  - k__ 3y ago
    Yes, I didn't mean they are required. It's just that the only way a union member can get into a work council is getting elected just like every other employee.
flohofwoe 3y ago
It's a common thing in German companies of all sizes and usually a good thing for the company too because problems between management and workforce are usually solved in a much less "confrontational" way compared to full-blown unionization (especially in smaller family-owned "Mittelstand" businesses).
jonp888 3y ago
Unions and Works Councils are not mutually exclusive. All companies that have a recognized Union will have a Works Council too. A Works Council is entirely company specific. A Union is usually concerned with an entire sector and deals with company-specific issues only a limited way. In practice the Union organisations often provide assistance and advice to a Works Council, even to companies in which they are not active as a Union.

Pretty sure employees would benefit from a union. It's too little too late for whatever this is trying to be, IMO.

QuinnyPig 3y ago

You might want to research German employment law a bit more...

scrum-treats 3y ago
Majority of Amazon employees exist outside Germany.
- throwaccthrow 3y ago
  Well this is about Germany specifically

Argorak 3y ago

This is a German works council, which is the most common outcome of a unionization effort: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_council#Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_council#Germany Its creation can be forced by a vote of the employees and the council has a legal special status. This probably comes as a reaction to multiple distribution centers around Germany doing exactly that and forcing the creation of local work councils with the help of unions.

k__ 3y ago

Often union members are elected into works councils. It's basically like a government of the company and a union is just another party that can get elected.

jwildeboer 3y ago
In the German IT world no. Unions are not needed for a works council. Our works council has 11 members of which one is a union member. 10 are not.
- k__ 3y ago
  Yes, I didn't mean they are required. It's just that the only way a union member can get into a work council is getting elected just like every other employee.

flohofwoe 3y ago

It's a common thing in German companies of all sizes and usually a good thing for the company too because problems between management and workforce are usually solved in a much less "confrontational" way compared to full-blown unionization (especially in smaller family-owned "Mittelstand" businesses).

jonp888 3y ago

Unions and Works Councils are not mutually exclusive. All companies that have a recognized Union will have a Works Council too. A Works Council is entirely company specific. A Union is usually concerned with an entire sector and deals with company-specific issues only a limited way. In practice the Union organisations often provide assistance and advice to a Works Council, even to companies in which they are not active as a Union.