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i'd suggest a simple split: - select the highest scores on the exam without question (these students will make your program prestigious) - normalize actual sc

by adamb 18y ago

i'd suggest a simple split: - select the highest scores on the exam without question (these students will make your program prestigious) - normalize actual scores based on "expected scores", select highest normalized scores (these students will highlight your program's accessibility, rewarding those who do much with little)

markessien 18y ago
Who decides what the 'expected score' is then? This would have to be the teacher, and as I mentioned in the post, the teachers cannot be trusted to be fair. Also, it's just 2 scholarships per class of 30 people per term. So one just has to pick 2 people from the class.
- adamb 18y ago
  you mentioned that when you plotted score vs income, there was a clear correlation- i was suggesting using this data to normalize the scores. if trusting teachers is an issue, there are two options. - polling multiple teachers (hopefully eliminating individual bias) - polling multiple students. for polling teachers, you might suggest that each teacher recommend 4 students. for polling students, you might suggest that each applicant write 2 essays: why they should receive the award, and which of their fellow classmates should as well. correlating these with exam scores might provide a clearer picture still.
  - markessien 18y ago
    The students get one teacher per year. I.e, they don't have multiple teachers for each subject, they just have 1 teacher who takes them for an entire year, then they get a new teacher. The essay suggestion would work maybe for the 10-12 year olds, but the 6-10 year olds would not be able to write that well. Also, would they not just pick their 'clique'?
    - adamb 18y ago
      - ask for input from the previous year's teacher - students only pick one other person, so picking their entire clique wouldn't fit as an answer. further, as good students tend to find one another, it's a good filter for finding people that should be recommended by the teacher but aren't (or vice-versa). - if a full essay is too much, just ask them to write what they'd do with their scholarship in a few sentences (prose, poem, any form will do). since you're only looking for 2 kids, you only need a question that will highlight the top candidates. no need to properly rank the entire class.

by adamb 18y ago

markessien 18y ago

Who decides what the 'expected score' is then? This would have to be the teacher, and as I mentioned in the post, the teachers cannot be trusted to be fair. Also, it's just 2 scholarships per class of 30 people per term. So one just has to pick 2 people from the class.

adamb 18y ago
you mentioned that when you plotted score vs income, there was a clear correlation- i was suggesting using this data to normalize the scores. if trusting teachers is an issue, there are two options. - polling multiple teachers (hopefully eliminating individual bias) - polling multiple students. for polling teachers, you might suggest that each teacher recommend 4 students. for polling students, you might suggest that each applicant write 2 essays: why they should receive the award, and which of their fellow classmates should as well. correlating these with exam scores might provide a clearer picture still.
- markessien 18y ago
  The students get one teacher per year. I.e, they don't have multiple teachers for each subject, they just have 1 teacher who takes them for an entire year, then they get a new teacher. The essay suggestion would work maybe for the 10-12 year olds, but the 6-10 year olds would not be able to write that well. Also, would they not just pick their 'clique'?
  - adamb 18y ago
    - ask for input from the previous year's teacher - students only pick one other person, so picking their entire clique wouldn't fit as an answer. further, as good students tend to find one another, it's a good filter for finding people that should be recommended by the teacher but aren't (or vice-versa). - if a full essay is too much, just ask them to write what they'd do with their scholarship in a few sentences (prose, poem, any form will do). since you're only looking for 2 kids, you only need a question that will highlight the top candidates. no need to properly rank the entire class.