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The maternal mortality rate for the US is 4.7 times higher than New Zealand's. The infant mortality rate is 61% higher.

by causi 3y ago

AmericanChopper 3y ago
I could also cherry-pick some statistics to try prove a point. But the point I’m actually making is that the healthcare I had access to in the US was far better than the healthcare I had access to in New Zealand (or anywhere else), regardless of how much I was willing to pay. Complaints about systemic issue of healthcare costs in the US are perfectly valid (and there are other somewhat unique problems with it as well). But are completely seperate from the fact that the best healthcare facilities, and most qualified healthcare professionals in the world are generally located in the US.
- causi 3y ago
  the healthcare I had access to in the US was far better than the healthcare I had access to in New Zealand (or anywhere else), regardless of how much I was willing to pay. Can you back that up with data?
  - AmericanChopper 3y ago
    You mean like my healthcare records?…
    - causi 3y ago
      The numbers I've seen do not support your position. If your opinion is based on evidence, show me that evidence. I'm willing to change my mind, but not based simply on "trust me bro".
  - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
    The US has some of the best healthcare providers in the world. They also have some very bad ones. But gains are harder to achieve than losses in healthcare, so when you average in the bottom of the barrel you get some bad numbers even if both the median and the best available provider is above the international average. Basically, healthcare quality in places that are both very rural and very poor (e.g. West Virginia and Mississippi) can be awful and it brings down the average even though the system provides better outcomes for most people in most other parts of the US.
- grecy 3y ago
  >the healthcare I had access to in the US was far better than the healthcare I had access to in New Zealand No, it wasn't. Factually, your sister is 4.7 times more likely to die giving birth in the US than in New Zealand. The outcomes in US healthcare are terrible, and it's extremely expensive.
  - AmericanChopper 3y ago
    > Factually, your sister is 4.7 times more likely to die giving birth in the US than in New Zealand. Factually, that’s completely wrong, and I don’t think you know what maternal mortality is. It’s any death that occurs during pregnancy, during or with 42 days of childbirth. There’s a lot of reason that the number is so high in the US (including unequal access to healthcare in the first place), but the quality of the healthcare provided isn’t one of them.
    - grecy 3y ago
      > There’s a lot of reason that the number is so high in the US... but the quality of the healthcare provided isn’t one of them. In one sentence you acknowledge that the US has a VASTLY higher maternal mortality rate than developed countries, then you say that has nothing to do with the quality of healthcare provided. That's.... impressive.

The maternal mortality rate for the US is 4.7 times higher than New Zealand's. The infant mortality rate is 61% higher.

by causi 3y ago

The maternal mortality rate for the US is 4.7 times higher than New Zealand's. The infant mortality rate is 61% higher.

I could also cherry-pick some statistics to try prove a point. But the point I’m actually making is that the healthcare I had access to in the US was far better than the healthcare I had access to in New Zealand (or anywhere else), regardless of how much I was willing to pay. Complaints about systemic issue of healthcare costs in the US are perfectly valid (and there are other somewhat unique problems with it as well). But are completely seperate from the fact that the best healthcare facilities, and most qualified healthcare professionals in the world are generally located in the US.

causi 3y ago
the healthcare I had access to in the US was far better than the healthcare I had access to in New Zealand (or anywhere else), regardless of how much I was willing to pay. Can you back that up with data?
- AmericanChopper 3y ago
  You mean like my healthcare records?…
  - causi 3y ago
    The numbers I've seen do not support your position. If your opinion is based on evidence, show me that evidence. I'm willing to change my mind, but not based simply on "trust me bro".
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago
  The US has some of the best healthcare providers in the world. They also have some very bad ones. But gains are harder to achieve than losses in healthcare, so when you average in the bottom of the barrel you get some bad numbers even if both the median and the best available provider is above the international average. Basically, healthcare quality in places that are both very rural and very poor (e.g. West Virginia and Mississippi) can be awful and it brings down the average even though the system provides better outcomes for most people in most other parts of the US.
grecy 3y ago
>the healthcare I had access to in the US was far better than the healthcare I had access to in New Zealand No, it wasn't. Factually, your sister is 4.7 times more likely to die giving birth in the US than in New Zealand. The outcomes in US healthcare are terrible, and it's extremely expensive.
- AmericanChopper 3y ago
  > Factually, your sister is 4.7 times more likely to die giving birth in the US than in New Zealand. Factually, that’s completely wrong, and I don’t think you know what maternal mortality is. It’s any death that occurs during pregnancy, during or with 42 days of childbirth. There’s a lot of reason that the number is so high in the US (including unequal access to healthcare in the first place), but the quality of the healthcare provided isn’t one of them.
  - grecy 3y ago
    > There’s a lot of reason that the number is so high in the US... but the quality of the healthcare provided isn’t one of them. In one sentence you acknowledge that the US has a VASTLY higher maternal mortality rate than developed countries, then you say that has nothing to do with the quality of healthcare provided. That's.... impressive.