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> the vast majority of liberal societies went all totalitarian on their people. No stop this nonsense. China was sealing apartments in 2020 to enforce quaranti

> the vast majority of liberal societies went all totalitarian on their people. No stop this nonsense. China was sealing apartments in 2020 to enforce quarantine. The worst that happened in the west was that we couldn't get dinner and beer at one of our many corporate restaurants that willingly shut down.

amadeuspagel 3y ago
My brother and father were stopped by the police when going for a walk outside together. (They had passports with them, and since they're family it was accepted.)
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  Mine too but since they're black we just call that tuesday.
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throwaway5Am1k 3y ago
Absolutely wrong, stop trying to rewrite history. Look at what happened in Melbourne, Australia. 1 hour of state mandated "outside" time per day, restrictions on gatherings, 5KM restrictions, 9PM curfews, park and gym closures, restrictions on shopping, public transport shutdown to stop protests, get the jab or lose your job. All that to "help" us, and we're living with the consequences to this day. Groceries 50%+ in the last 3 years. House prices are off the charts. Inflation that the government will blame on Russia, COVID supply shocks, aliens, but never their actions. The policies you backed well and truly fucked us. Own up to it.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  Nothing like that happened where I live and we still got groceries and rent doubled so the direct link is uhhh a little uncertain I think.
- undersuit 3y ago
  Australia had 22,000 deaths for these minor inconvenience imposed on them. Australians got to go shopping? There were rumors about people in China starving in their quarantined homes. >Groceries 50%+ in the last 3 years. House prices are off the charts. Inflation that the government will blame on Russia, COVID supply shocks, aliens, but never their actions. The cost of goods and housing and inflation have all gone up outside of Australia too. My US state did little Covid prevention besides allowing us to order alcoholic drinks to go; why are groceries and housing up in my little US city, not to mention the US Dollar inflation? Is it Australia's fault?
  - bogantech 3y ago
    > Australia had 22,000 deaths for these minor inconvenience imposed on them. Yeah the minor inconvenience of being a prisoner in your own home & the police beating the tar out of you "for your protection"
    - undersuit 3y ago
      Oh, are you talking about China now?
fifilura 3y ago
> China was sealing apartments in 2020 to enforce quarantine. This is whataboutism. > The worst that happened in the west was that we couldn't get dinner and beer at one of our many corporate restaurants that willingly shut down. Do you even remember 2020/2021? Schools, daycare, workplaces shut down, people not allowed to leave their apartments?
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- ChainOfFools 3y ago
  It's just an anecdote, but I can say that the two groups of people who I'm primarily connected to, are on one hand a bunch of academics and on the other a bunch of work from home writers and techie types. These two groups overwhelmingly favored policies of lockdowns and masking. I am personally of the opinion that an ounce of prevention is well worrh a pound of cure, and so don't have any philosophical problem with either of these policies in the appropriate measure. But I can't imagine getting behind them in such an emphatic way as a lot of my colleagues and peers did. In hindsight is quite obvious that one of the causal factors for their enthusiasm was simply that they were not affected by the consequences to the degree that almost everyone else is. Academics typically do not have a rigid nine to five schedule and often only go on campus for classes, or to work in theor lab where everyone's often wearing masks anyway. And work from home folks obviously are in a similar situation in terms of the impact these practices have on their productivity and lifestyle. So it was quite easy to support this stuff given their particular circumstances. I'm very disappointed in the inability of some these otherwise quite smart and seemingly perceptive people to take the place of others and understand why there could be legitimate non-ideological reasons for pushing back on the intensity of some of these policies.
mensetmanusman 3y ago
Or the police forcing people from the healthiest possible location (beaches) to the unhealthiest possible location (apartments).

amadeuspagel 3y ago

My brother and father were stopped by the police when going for a walk outside together. (They had passports with them, and since they're family it was accepted.)

giraffe_lady 3y ago
Mine too but since they're black we just call that tuesday.

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throwaway5Am1k 3y ago

Absolutely wrong, stop trying to rewrite history. Look at what happened in Melbourne, Australia. 1 hour of state mandated "outside" time per day, restrictions on gatherings, 5KM restrictions, 9PM curfews, park and gym closures, restrictions on shopping, public transport shutdown to stop protests, get the jab or lose your job. All that to "help" us, and we're living with the consequences to this day. Groceries 50%+ in the last 3 years. House prices are off the charts. Inflation that the government will blame on Russia, COVID supply shocks, aliens, but never their actions. The policies you backed well and truly fucked us. Own up to it.

giraffe_lady 3y ago
Nothing like that happened where I live and we still got groceries and rent doubled so the direct link is uhhh a little uncertain I think.
undersuit 3y ago
Australia had 22,000 deaths for these minor inconvenience imposed on them. Australians got to go shopping? There were rumors about people in China starving in their quarantined homes. >Groceries 50%+ in the last 3 years. House prices are off the charts. Inflation that the government will blame on Russia, COVID supply shocks, aliens, but never their actions. The cost of goods and housing and inflation have all gone up outside of Australia too. My US state did little Covid prevention besides allowing us to order alcoholic drinks to go; why are groceries and housing up in my little US city, not to mention the US Dollar inflation? Is it Australia's fault?
- bogantech 3y ago
  > Australia had 22,000 deaths for these minor inconvenience imposed on them. Yeah the minor inconvenience of being a prisoner in your own home & the police beating the tar out of you "for your protection"
  - undersuit 3y ago
    Oh, are you talking about China now?

fifilura 3y ago

> China was sealing apartments in 2020 to enforce quarantine. This is whataboutism. > The worst that happened in the west was that we couldn't get dinner and beer at one of our many corporate restaurants that willingly shut down. Do you even remember 2020/2021? Schools, daycare, workplaces shut down, people not allowed to leave their apartments?

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ChainOfFools 3y ago
It's just an anecdote, but I can say that the two groups of people who I'm primarily connected to, are on one hand a bunch of academics and on the other a bunch of work from home writers and techie types. These two groups overwhelmingly favored policies of lockdowns and masking. I am personally of the opinion that an ounce of prevention is well worrh a pound of cure, and so don't have any philosophical problem with either of these policies in the appropriate measure. But I can't imagine getting behind them in such an emphatic way as a lot of my colleagues and peers did. In hindsight is quite obvious that one of the causal factors for their enthusiasm was simply that they were not affected by the consequences to the degree that almost everyone else is. Academics typically do not have a rigid nine to five schedule and often only go on campus for classes, or to work in theor lab where everyone's often wearing masks anyway. And work from home folks obviously are in a similar situation in terms of the impact these practices have on their productivity and lifestyle. So it was quite easy to support this stuff given their particular circumstances. I'm very disappointed in the inability of some these otherwise quite smart and seemingly perceptive people to take the place of others and understand why there could be legitimate non-ideological reasons for pushing back on the intensity of some of these policies.

mensetmanusman 3y ago

Or the police forcing people from the healthiest possible location (beaches) to the unhealthiest possible location (apartments).