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Your argument is that forcing people to go without food causes them to lose weight, which is impossible to deny. You argument says nothing about what causes peo

Your argument is that forcing people to go without food causes them to lose weight, which is impossible to deny. You argument says nothing about what causes people to gain weight, however. Just look up 'hormonal weight gain' to see that it isn't just about eating less. Then look at research into the influence of chemicals/micro plastics on those hormones. Yes, all calories have to go in through the mouth. How those calories are processed, however, is influenced by a great many factors.

Shocka1 3y ago
The comment started with "Obesity is caused by eating too much." At the core, this is very much the objective truth. If it so happens that someone processes cake or calories differently than others, they need to eat less cake and take in less calories. The pervasive obsession with avoiding this truth is concerning and has had a detrimental effect on society. How many of us know someone who passed away from COVID due to this kind of unhealthiness? Primary Care Physicians and health professionals out there need to step it up and be truthful with people. I can acknowledge the extreme cases where this may not be possible, but 9/10 times we can take ownership of our lives whatever the situation, clean our diets and get out there and exercise.
tarsinge 3y ago
I visited the US a few years ago and I was shocked how much calories were packed in random foods. Some desserts/cakes alone were above 1000kcal. Basically in the US I had to be very careful and calorie counting and I got the impression if you eat randomly you'll end up with a very high calorie intake (typically above 3000 per day), whereas this is usually less true in Europe (but it's getting less true every year) and you might end up just a bit overweight instead of obese by eating randomly.
joquarky 3y ago
>How those calories are processed, however, is influenced by a great many factors. I feel compelled to assume that we can't possibly be extracting every calorie from certain types of food. Caloriometers work differently from human digestive systems.
- sudosysgen 3y ago
  That's correct, but we're pretty efficient - from 75 to 99%. This is typically around 90% except for fiber, which is marked down in calorie labels already. It also depends on what exactly you're doing with the energy, if you're in a calorie surplus then protein to tryglyceride metabolism is less efficient than, say, dietary fat to tryglyceride, but this can just be neglected. But yeah, human digestion is pretty efficient. Muscles are far less efficient though, around 30%, which is a neat fact.

Shocka1 3y ago

The comment started with "Obesity is caused by eating too much." At the core, this is very much the objective truth. If it so happens that someone processes cake or calories differently than others, they need to eat less cake and take in less calories. The pervasive obsession with avoiding this truth is concerning and has had a detrimental effect on society. How many of us know someone who passed away from COVID due to this kind of unhealthiness? Primary Care Physicians and health professionals out there need to step it up and be truthful with people. I can acknowledge the extreme cases where this may not be possible, but 9/10 times we can take ownership of our lives whatever the situation, clean our diets and get out there and exercise.

tarsinge 3y ago

I visited the US a few years ago and I was shocked how much calories were packed in random foods. Some desserts/cakes alone were above 1000kcal. Basically in the US I had to be very careful and calorie counting and I got the impression if you eat randomly you'll end up with a very high calorie intake (typically above 3000 per day), whereas this is usually less true in Europe (but it's getting less true every year) and you might end up just a bit overweight instead of obese by eating randomly.

joquarky 3y ago

>How those calories are processed, however, is influenced by a great many factors. I feel compelled to assume that we can't possibly be extracting every calorie from certain types of food. Caloriometers work differently from human digestive systems.

sudosysgen 3y ago
That's correct, but we're pretty efficient - from 75 to 99%. This is typically around 90% except for fiber, which is marked down in calorie labels already. It also depends on what exactly you're doing with the energy, if you're in a calorie surplus then protein to tryglyceride metabolism is less efficient than, say, dietary fat to tryglyceride, but this can just be neglected. But yeah, human digestion is pretty efficient. Muscles are far less efficient though, around 30%, which is a neat fact.