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I can deprive myself from the experience of seeing far away countries, but billionaires won't deprive themselves from their yachts and private jets. And no - t

by zirgs 3y ago

I can deprive myself from the experience of seeing far away countries, but billionaires won't deprive themselves from their yachts and private jets. And no - trains are not a solution. I can't travel to the American continent with a train. Should travelling be available only to rich people again?

vel0city 3y ago
And thus, we continue to spiral into the same thing most people are harking on in this thread. Should single family homes with large yards be available to only rich people? And unless the government starts shooting private planes out of the sky, even government regulations aren't going to stop rich people from flying. I'm not saying you should never fly. I don't know your life. I agree there's a lot of good economic outcomes from having an aviation industry and overall it brings the world closer together, which is probably good. But I do think global tourism probably isn't the best thing in the world climate-wise. I'm just trying to push back against the idea that end consumers have zero say about what corporations do climate-wise. Those planes are flying because people want to sit in those seats (generally, outside of those flights during covid to keep routes). Bottled water makers make bottled water because people buy it. Car companies keep making bigger cars because most Americans keep wanting bigger cars. There's a feedback loop, and ignoring it or flat out denying it isn't going to help solve these challenges. I'm not saying never board another plane in your life. I know I am, eventually. I'm just suggesting, maybe swap some trip involving a flight for a more local vacation every now and then. If we all reduced the demand for the flights a bit, fewer planes would fly. I'm not saying never buy another bottled beverage. I'm just saying, maybe the tap water isn't that bad, and its not too difficult to just fill a cup instead of grabbing a single use bottle every time.

by zirgs 3y ago

vel0city 3y ago

And thus, we continue to spiral into the same thing most people are harking on in this thread. Should single family homes with large yards be available to only rich people? And unless the government starts shooting private planes out of the sky, even government regulations aren't going to stop rich people from flying. I'm not saying you should never fly. I don't know your life. I agree there's a lot of good economic outcomes from having an aviation industry and overall it brings the world closer together, which is probably good. But I do think global tourism probably isn't the best thing in the world climate-wise. I'm just trying to push back against the idea that end consumers have zero say about what corporations do climate-wise. Those planes are flying because people want to sit in those seats (generally, outside of those flights during covid to keep routes). Bottled water makers make bottled water because people buy it. Car companies keep making bigger cars because most Americans keep wanting bigger cars. There's a feedback loop, and ignoring it or flat out denying it isn't going to help solve these challenges. I'm not saying never board another plane in your life. I know I am, eventually. I'm just suggesting, maybe swap some trip involving a flight for a more local vacation every now and then. If we all reduced the demand for the flights a bit, fewer planes would fly. I'm not saying never buy another bottled beverage. I'm just saying, maybe the tap water isn't that bad, and its not too difficult to just fill a cup instead of grabbing a single use bottle every time.