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There are entire github repos dealing with it. Frankly the Elixir ecosystem, which is not without merit, is more interested in perpetuating the myth of magic s

There are entire github repos dealing with it. Frankly the Elixir ecosystem, which is not without merit, is more interested in perpetuating the myth of magic scalability by virtue of the beam.

pdimitar 3y ago
Frankly I am seeing that as a myth, you seem to have made up your mind some time ago or judged by 1-2 occasions. I am on ElixirForum every day and worked with Elixir for 7 years and have never seen anyone "perpetuate myths". I've seen some people willing to "increase adoption" which was always met with resistance by the wider community -- we believe growth should be organic. Pretty sad stance from you though, I have no idea why people get so ticked off when another programmer wants to tell them about a secret weapon. If you are not willing to try it, that's fair. Say that. Claiming you know stuff about the ecosystem while a guy who is there every day is not seeing that at all comes across as... strange. Biased. And not arguing in good faith. :(
- fidotron 3y ago
  > If you are not willing to try it, that's fair. Say that. Claiming you know stuff about the ecosystem while a guy who is there every day comes across as... strange. Biased. And not arguing in good faith. :( I am not willing to drag others, such as those that wrote the repos, into a technical discussion with people out to act as you are.
  - pdimitar 3y ago
    I really don't get your replies and why their tone has to be the way it is but, have it your way. I tried.
  - DoesntMatter22 3y ago
    The guy you are responding to was completely calm and reasonable. Didn't say anything attacking or otherwise. I'm not sure why you are seemingly trying to cast him (and the Beam) in such a bad light, with seemingly no reason to back it up.
    - fidotron 3y ago
      He is adopting the missionary tactic of feigning a desire for discussion when it is just veiled evangelism.
      - DoesntMatter22 3y ago
        He seemed to be asking you to back up your claims and you seem to be just saying claiming that you don't need to and he is the problem...
        deleted 3y ago
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        fidotron 3y ago
        Both of you are afflicted by that logical fallacy of failing to understand that you not encountering a phenomenon does not mean it does not happen or is rare, it just means you didn't encounter it. If you try telling people that did encounter that phenomenon that in practice they wouldn't/didn't then you shouldn't be surprised if they question why they started talking to you in the first place.
        DoesntMatter22 3y ago
        Yeah but when you don't have any evidence and just accuse him baselessly as you have been... well...
        fidotron 3y ago
        Do you genuinely fail to see how your behaviour proves my point? You cannot just hound people with demands because you don’t like what they are saying.
        pdimitar 3y ago
        > Do you genuinely fail to see how your behaviour proves my point? I genuinely see only one thing: I asked you to elaborate but you are convinced that I am pretending to discuss while I, again genuinely, actually did want to discuss. You asserting something about me, a person whose mind you cannot read is confusing and quite aggressive, in a very uncalled-for manner too. But as I said already -- have it your way, I disengaged because it became apparent you are not interested in discussing. OK. It's your right. What's not OK is you claiming that I am not interested in discussing however, and I maintain that I was interested in discussing. > You cannot just hound people with demands because you don’t like what they are saying. 1. I am not "hounding" you for anything, I asked a question. 2. You are again assuming my motivation and I assert that you have gotten it wrong. You that I "disliked what you said" is a borderline personal attack and an off-topic. I was confused why you claimed what you did and wanted you to elaborate, to find out what made you think like that and if I can change your mind with a few anecdotes and some facts (that are hard to look up because they require scanning a forum; yet they are there and are visible to everyone who engages with the platform). BTW, if you really have known anything at all about the Elixir ecosystem you would know that its creator, to this day, engages with users on ElixirForum and asks for their feedback on what they find lacking. That sort of engagement and genuine discussion spirit that you claim I (as a part of the Elixir community) don't have. That alone invalidates your point entirely. I am disengaging second and final time, let future readers decide for themselves.

There are entire github repos dealing with it. Frankly the Elixir ecosystem, which is not without merit, is more interested in perpetuating the myth of magic scalability by virtue of the beam.

pdimitar 3y ago

Frankly I am seeing that as a myth, you seem to have made up your mind some time ago or judged by 1-2 occasions. I am on ElixirForum every day and worked with Elixir for 7 years and have never seen anyone "perpetuate myths". I've seen some people willing to "increase adoption" which was always met with resistance by the wider community -- we believe growth should be organic. Pretty sad stance from you though, I have no idea why people get so ticked off when another programmer wants to tell them about a secret weapon. If you are not willing to try it, that's fair. Say that. Claiming you know stuff about the ecosystem while a guy who is there every day is not seeing that at all comes across as... strange. Biased. And not arguing in good faith. :(

fidotron 3y ago
> If you are not willing to try it, that's fair. Say that. Claiming you know stuff about the ecosystem while a guy who is there every day comes across as... strange. Biased. And not arguing in good faith. :( I am not willing to drag others, such as those that wrote the repos, into a technical discussion with people out to act as you are.
- pdimitar 3y ago
  I really don't get your replies and why their tone has to be the way it is but, have it your way. I tried.
- DoesntMatter22 3y ago
  The guy you are responding to was completely calm and reasonable. Didn't say anything attacking or otherwise. I'm not sure why you are seemingly trying to cast him (and the Beam) in such a bad light, with seemingly no reason to back it up.
  - fidotron 3y ago
    He is adopting the missionary tactic of feigning a desire for discussion when it is just veiled evangelism.
    - DoesntMatter22 3y ago
      He seemed to be asking you to back up your claims and you seem to be just saying claiming that you don't need to and he is the problem...
      - deleted 3y ago
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      - fidotron 3y ago
        Both of you are afflicted by that logical fallacy of failing to understand that you not encountering a phenomenon does not mean it does not happen or is rare, it just means you didn't encounter it. If you try telling people that did encounter that phenomenon that in practice they wouldn't/didn't then you shouldn't be surprised if they question why they started talking to you in the first place.
        DoesntMatter22 3y ago
        Yeah but when you don't have any evidence and just accuse him baselessly as you have been... well...
        fidotron 3y ago
        Do you genuinely fail to see how your behaviour proves my point? You cannot just hound people with demands because you don’t like what they are saying.
        pdimitar 3y ago
        > Do you genuinely fail to see how your behaviour proves my point? I genuinely see only one thing: I asked you to elaborate but you are convinced that I am pretending to discuss while I, again genuinely, actually did want to discuss. You asserting something about me, a person whose mind you cannot read is confusing and quite aggressive, in a very uncalled-for manner too. But as I said already -- have it your way, I disengaged because it became apparent you are not interested in discussing. OK. It's your right. What's not OK is you claiming that I am not interested in discussing however, and I maintain that I was interested in discussing. > You cannot just hound people with demands because you don’t like what they are saying. 1. I am not "hounding" you for anything, I asked a question. 2. You are again assuming my motivation and I assert that you have gotten it wrong. You that I "disliked what you said" is a borderline personal attack and an off-topic. I was confused why you claimed what you did and wanted you to elaborate, to find out what made you think like that and if I can change your mind with a few anecdotes and some facts (that are hard to look up because they require scanning a forum; yet they are there and are visible to everyone who engages with the platform). BTW, if you really have known anything at all about the Elixir ecosystem you would know that its creator, to this day, engages with users on ElixirForum and asks for their feedback on what they find lacking. That sort of engagement and genuine discussion spirit that you claim I (as a part of the Elixir community) don't have. That alone invalidates your point entirely. I am disengaging second and final time, let future readers decide for themselves.