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>>>once you ban straws the next thing you know you might actually deal with the main cause of climate change and we wouldn't want that now would we. How are yo
by PM_me_your_math 3y ago
>>>once you ban straws the next thing you know you might actually deal with the main cause of climate change and we wouldn't want that now would we.
How are you going to deal with solar radiation, earth's position and orientation, the jet stream, and water vapor?
- ZeroGravitas 3y agoCan you cite a source that suggests those 5 things combined are a bigger impact than the real actual accepted by science singular main cause? I'm prepared to let it slide that you've named 5 different things as I think you're still factually incorrect even if I let you clump them together.
- PM_me_your_math 3y agoThis is a joke, right? You're saying the sun, the Milankovitch cycle, water vapor, and other natural processes have less of an impact on climate than humanity? Care to explain how? That's hilarious. LMAO!!!! The sun puts 4.4 x 1016 watts into Earth each year. How much does humanity put?
- ZeroGravitas 3y agoYou appear to have misread the part of my comment that you quoted. I said: > the main cause of climate change You for some reason thought I was talking about the "main cause of climate". What an odd misreading. But at least you're not making wildly inaccurate claims about climate change, just missing the point. You do believe in the accepted scientific consensus on climate change right? Now that we've established we're talking about climate change, and not just the climate.
- PM_me_your_math 3y agoThe only system that causes climate change is the sun-earth-water heat dynamic. Everything else is just religious bleating and used-car salesmanship.
- ZeroGravitas 3y agoOK. For those interested in reality: https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/climate-change/causes-of-climate-change https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/climate-change/causes-o... Covers the contribution of these natural variations to climate change. > Natural climate cycles can change the temperature of Earth, but the changes we are seeing are happening at a scale and speed that natural cycles cannot explain. These cycles affect the global temperature for years, or sometimes just months, not the 100 years that we have observed. Meanwhile, longer-term changes like Milankovitch cycles and solar irradiance take thousands and thousands of years.
- MichaelZuo 3y agoThe parent has a point that if these natural cycles change even slightly, however unlikely that may be, it will swamp out any effect humanity has made up til 2023, heck maybe even 10x everything humans have done.
- InSteady 3y agoYes and if the sun blinks out tomorrow that will be the biggest effect of all. Remind me again why that is worth talking about, other than to distract and detract from a discussion of climate change?
- MichaelZuo 3y agoThis seems like a strawman, the sun blinking out is not a slight change, obviously if only a world shattering change could produce such a effect then there would be a different calculation. In the context of the natural systems the parent's comment refers to, even a 1% deviation is enough to swamp out all human effects combined. And that is entirely within the realm of possibility.