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They have gone from denial to 'It's too late so don't bother to try stopping us' as a propaganda strategy. This is just part of that.

gooseus 3y ago
It's not happening and there isn't anything to worry about... right up until the moment when it's already happened and there isn't anything that can be done. I recently heard it referred to as "The Slow Breakup" pattern[1] from a Youtuber who has done a great job (though tone is a little much sometimes) of breaking down alt-right propaganda and rhetoric, though these tactics can be used by any political movement. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpUN0q35Lak&list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ&index=19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpUN0q35Lak&list=PLJA_jUddXv...
Arnt 3y ago
"Don't bother to try stopping us"? When you're the paying customer, it's easy for you to stop your vendor from selling to you.
- jfengel 3y ago
  Not when your vendor is part of a vast ecosystem that is nearly impossible to opt out of. Even aside from what you buy directly, this vendor's products is baked into every product you buy. The entire national infrastructure is designed with this vendor's goals in mind. The easiest way to see it would be to put a tax on the vendor's products, at the source. But they have lobbied specifically against that, as well as other any other approach that might cut into their profits.
  - Arnt 3y ago
    I believe most of the sources do tax their products heavily. I'm Norwegian and we tax them at about 80%. Surely the Saudi princes' private airplanes were paid for with tax revenues, too. Maybe you mean that the consumers' countries should tax the fossil fuel sold to consumers. You're a voter in one of those, I bet, and probably one that taxes fossil fuel at a rate well below 80%.
- breakyerself 3y ago
  Have you stopped using fossil fuels and consuming products that required fossil fuels for their production and transportation? I'm guessing not since you haven't starved to death and have access to the Internet. It's not possible to stop this juggernaut through individuals choosing to opt out of fossil fuels.
  - Arnt 3y ago
    As an individual, my fossil fuel usage in August has been... probably not zero but low enough that I don't know about any. That seems irrelevant though, since I don't go around claiming that the banks/elite/1%/oil companies/jews made me do it and I'm powerless to stop. I don't consider myself powerless. I can do some things, can't do others. Most significantly, I vote. That ~80% tax was established, and not just that. For example, you may have seen this charger (blue and white on the left)? https://www.wartsila.com/images/default-source/products/e-pms-landing-page/charging.tmb-424x262.jpg https://www.wartsila.com/images/default-source/products/e-pm... That tiny little charger charges the batteries on the ferry. It and the ferry had to be developed. I voted for that and it exists.

gooseus 3y ago

It's not happening and there isn't anything to worry about... right up until the moment when it's already happened and there isn't anything that can be done. I recently heard it referred to as "The Slow Breakup" pattern[1] from a Youtuber who has done a great job (though tone is a little much sometimes) of breaking down alt-right propaganda and rhetoric, though these tactics can be used by any political movement. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpUN0q35Lak&list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ&index=19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpUN0q35Lak&list=PLJA_jUddXv...

Arnt 3y ago

"Don't bother to try stopping us"? When you're the paying customer, it's easy for you to stop your vendor from selling to you.

jfengel 3y ago
Not when your vendor is part of a vast ecosystem that is nearly impossible to opt out of. Even aside from what you buy directly, this vendor's products is baked into every product you buy. The entire national infrastructure is designed with this vendor's goals in mind. The easiest way to see it would be to put a tax on the vendor's products, at the source. But they have lobbied specifically against that, as well as other any other approach that might cut into their profits.
- Arnt 3y ago
  I believe most of the sources do tax their products heavily. I'm Norwegian and we tax them at about 80%. Surely the Saudi princes' private airplanes were paid for with tax revenues, too. Maybe you mean that the consumers' countries should tax the fossil fuel sold to consumers. You're a voter in one of those, I bet, and probably one that taxes fossil fuel at a rate well below 80%.
breakyerself 3y ago
Have you stopped using fossil fuels and consuming products that required fossil fuels for their production and transportation? I'm guessing not since you haven't starved to death and have access to the Internet. It's not possible to stop this juggernaut through individuals choosing to opt out of fossil fuels.
- Arnt 3y ago
  As an individual, my fossil fuel usage in August has been... probably not zero but low enough that I don't know about any. That seems irrelevant though, since I don't go around claiming that the banks/elite/1%/oil companies/jews made me do it and I'm powerless to stop. I don't consider myself powerless. I can do some things, can't do others. Most significantly, I vote. That ~80% tax was established, and not just that. For example, you may have seen this charger (blue and white on the left)? https://www.wartsila.com/images/default-source/products/e-pms-landing-page/charging.tmb-424x262.jpg https://www.wartsila.com/images/default-source/products/e-pm... That tiny little charger charges the batteries on the ferry. It and the ferry had to be developed. I voted for that and it exists.