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Don't use Whatsapp. Work on a replacement on Veilid. https://veilid.com/ https://veilid.com/

by jtode 3y ago

_8ysf 3y ago
Well Signal Messenger is nice. I am using WhatsApp because of network effect: some people are on WhatsApp and not on something else (Signal is the most popular alternative where I am, Threema is third. Never heard of Veilid).
LorenDB 3y ago
Or Matrix. With Matrix you can additionally bridge some chats from other platforms.
- _8ysf 3y ago
  Sure, I just can't talk to my friends and family there :-).
  - jasonjayr 3y ago
    Fwiw, my family and friends are also not on matrix. Setting up an iMessage bridge (with a spare apple device) and a sms bridge has enabled me to use matrix with them. It's nice being able to message from my phone and Linux desktop without any trouble
  - rakoo 3y ago
    Install the app on their phone for them. It's that easy :)
  - jtode 3y ago
    I'm so tired of this answer. You have phones, right? You know, you dial ten or so digits and then you flap your mouthholes at the grill and pretend you're human? Nah, let's just use the platform owned by the war criminal because everyone is there with our tech-ignorant relatives as our excuse. I hope you all meet a Rohingya one day.
    - low_common 3y ago
      Hey buddy take a xanax or something, this is hackernews not your DefCon forum.
      - jtode 3y ago
        "If you don't like reality, numb it out like the rest of us man." We do have to practice tolerance of certain things, but genocide is not one of em. I'm sorry it makes you uncomfortable to know that you're using the same platform that was used by state-supported mass murderers and the executives knew about it and took the money, but allowing others to tend to their own discomfort is the deepest of compliments.
        low_common 3y ago
        What platform are you talking about? You're borderline incoherent here.
        jtode 3y ago
        If you are not aware of certain facts in certain parts of the world, it certainly would sound that way.
        low_common 3y ago
        You're not naming the platform that you have a problem with and now you're just rambling. Trolling isn't taken lightly here ...
        jtode 3y ago
        Sigh. We're discussing WhatsApp in this post. Read the subject line. I mentioned war crimes, and the [word] Rohingya, and that is enough for any curious mind to google and learn what I am talking about. But since you're determined to do a thorough demonstration of willful incuriosity, what I am talking about is, Facebook, owned by Meta, which owns WhatsApp, was used as a platform to foment and execute a genocide in the country of Mynanmar, against the Rohingya muslim minority. Meta executives knew about it and did nothing, cause hey, brown people in that part of the world, who cares. Enjoy talking to your grandpa or whatever.
smcleod 3y ago
Select “technical details” > Error - Page not found.
LoganDark 3y ago
Nobody ever uses WhatsApp for the actual app. People use WhatsApp only because it's a walled garden that doesn't federate with any other servers so it's impossible to contact anyone through it without joining yourself.
- jacooper 3y ago
  And hopefully the DSA will change that.
  - LoganDark 3y ago
    I don't think anything will ever change that. The problem isn't WhatsApp but the general problem of "each person is only reachable via certain contact methods" which can't ever be solved by anything.
    - jacooper 3y ago
      The DSA forces platforms to allow federation and to expose public API endpoints. So it solves this because it makes it possible for your to talk with someone on a different app.
      - _8ysf 3y ago
        The risk being that the experience will be miserable. I can totally imagine a world where you can talk between Signal and WhatsApp, but reactions don't work, sending files doesn't work properly, changing permissions in a group doesn't propagate, etc. Unless you force everybody to use the exact same protocol, with the exact same features, and to never add or change a feature.
        jacooper 3y ago
        I think there is a baseline specified in the regulation, not sure which features it includes though.
predictabl3 3y ago
Technical details 404, nothing about what distinguishes it from other chat platforms and hosts it's own community on discord. No.

Don't use Whatsapp. Work on a replacement on Veilid. https://veilid.com/ https://veilid.com/

by jtode 3y ago

Don't use Whatsapp. Work on a replacement on Veilid. https://veilid.com/ https://veilid.com/

Well Signal Messenger is nice. I am using WhatsApp because of network effect: some people are on WhatsApp and not on something else (Signal is the most popular alternative where I am, Threema is third. Never heard of Veilid).

LorenDB 3y ago

Or Matrix. With Matrix you can additionally bridge some chats from other platforms.

_8ysf 3y ago
Sure, I just can't talk to my friends and family there :-).
- jasonjayr 3y ago
  Fwiw, my family and friends are also not on matrix. Setting up an iMessage bridge (with a spare apple device) and a sms bridge has enabled me to use matrix with them. It's nice being able to message from my phone and Linux desktop without any trouble
- rakoo 3y ago
  Install the app on their phone for them. It's that easy :)
- jtode 3y ago
  I'm so tired of this answer. You have phones, right? You know, you dial ten or so digits and then you flap your mouthholes at the grill and pretend you're human? Nah, let's just use the platform owned by the war criminal because everyone is there with our tech-ignorant relatives as our excuse. I hope you all meet a Rohingya one day.
  - low_common 3y ago
    Hey buddy take a xanax or something, this is hackernews not your DefCon forum.
    - jtode 3y ago
      "If you don't like reality, numb it out like the rest of us man." We do have to practice tolerance of certain things, but genocide is not one of em. I'm sorry it makes you uncomfortable to know that you're using the same platform that was used by state-supported mass murderers and the executives knew about it and took the money, but allowing others to tend to their own discomfort is the deepest of compliments.
      - low_common 3y ago
        What platform are you talking about? You're borderline incoherent here.
        jtode 3y ago
        If you are not aware of certain facts in certain parts of the world, it certainly would sound that way.
        low_common 3y ago
        You're not naming the platform that you have a problem with and now you're just rambling. Trolling isn't taken lightly here ...
        jtode 3y ago
        Sigh. We're discussing WhatsApp in this post. Read the subject line. I mentioned war crimes, and the [word] Rohingya, and that is enough for any curious mind to google and learn what I am talking about. But since you're determined to do a thorough demonstration of willful incuriosity, what I am talking about is, Facebook, owned by Meta, which owns WhatsApp, was used as a platform to foment and execute a genocide in the country of Mynanmar, against the Rohingya muslim minority. Meta executives knew about it and did nothing, cause hey, brown people in that part of the world, who cares. Enjoy talking to your grandpa or whatever.

smcleod 3y ago

Select “technical details” > Error - Page not found.

LoganDark 3y ago

Nobody ever uses WhatsApp for the actual app. People use WhatsApp only because it's a walled garden that doesn't federate with any other servers so it's impossible to contact anyone through it without joining yourself.

jacooper 3y ago
And hopefully the DSA will change that.
- LoganDark 3y ago
  I don't think anything will ever change that. The problem isn't WhatsApp but the general problem of "each person is only reachable via certain contact methods" which can't ever be solved by anything.
  - jacooper 3y ago
    The DSA forces platforms to allow federation and to expose public API endpoints. So it solves this because it makes it possible for your to talk with someone on a different app.
    - _8ysf 3y ago
      The risk being that the experience will be miserable. I can totally imagine a world where you can talk between Signal and WhatsApp, but reactions don't work, sending files doesn't work properly, changing permissions in a group doesn't propagate, etc. Unless you force everybody to use the exact same protocol, with the exact same features, and to never add or change a feature.
      - jacooper 3y ago
        I think there is a baseline specified in the regulation, not sure which features it includes though.

predictabl3 3y ago

Technical details 404, nothing about what distinguishes it from other chat platforms and hosts it's own community on discord. No.