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> It is much deeper: you don't like that people are illogical and therefore self-defeating. This is a typical case of over-generalization based on the Barnum–

by esjeon 3y ago

> It is much deeper: you don't like that people are illogical and therefore self-defeating. This is a typical case of over-generalization based on the Barnum–Forer effect[1]. At the very moment you label someone as "illogical", you're already having communication issues with the person, and, naturally, you don't have the best impression on the person anyway. So this statement practically fits every single person on the planet. Mind that relying on tricks like these puts you in the realm of being illogical. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnum_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnum_effect > Perhaps. But what if you find one such person, ask questions, and put yourself in their shoes? ... Yeah I get the overall mechanism there, but I don't think it's critical here. My point is that the outcome of fanboyism has been harmful, and, especially, it has killed a lot of healthy discussions. This doesn't help anyone, so it needs to be trimmed somehow. A healthy fan base must be regulating itself and channel all the fans' energy to more productive stuffs rather than flaming internet forums.

xpe 3y ago
I understand and largely agree with your general concerns. I'm having a hard time getting a read on your intended tone here. I hope you are getting something out of the conversation, since you are responding. However, some of your word choice seems to indicate irritation (e.g. saying my comments are pedantic and so on). Regarding my intended tone... First, I'm genuinely curious about your strong reactions. Any guesses I have as to your deeper causes are, like I say, guesses. They are based on imperfect pattern matching. Second, logically speaking, some of the supporting details, as you state them, are unpersuasive to me, but I appreciate where they are coming from. I also recognize I'm not getting the full context. I sometimes engage in longer threads of discussion here on HN not only out of curiosity but also because I'm exploring various ways to communicate and connect. As such, I'm very aware of the non-textual human factors.

by esjeon 3y ago

xpe 3y ago

I understand and largely agree with your general concerns. I'm having a hard time getting a read on your intended tone here. I hope you are getting something out of the conversation, since you are responding. However, some of your word choice seems to indicate irritation (e.g. saying my comments are pedantic and so on). Regarding my intended tone... First, I'm genuinely curious about your strong reactions. Any guesses I have as to your deeper causes are, like I say, guesses. They are based on imperfect pattern matching. Second, logically speaking, some of the supporting details, as you state them, are unpersuasive to me, but I appreciate where they are coming from. I also recognize I'm not getting the full context. I sometimes engage in longer threads of discussion here on HN not only out of curiosity but also because I'm exploring various ways to communicate and connect. As such, I'm very aware of the non-textual human factors.