> BTW many universities weren't even set up by church. For example the one I graduated (UMCS in Poland). Oh yes. The one you graduated from was setup by the Ch

> BTW many universities weren't even set up by church. For example the one I graduated (UMCS in Poland). Oh yes. The one you graduated from was setup by the Church, or founded by people whose educational lineage goes back to the Church. Communism doesn't change the fact that all educational institutions from the Middle Ages were setup by the Church.