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Normalize stay-at-home moms. This will raise the birthrate and drive up wages. For now us faithful Catholics, as well as Mormons and Muslims, will keep civiliza

Normalize stay-at-home moms. This will raise the birthrate and drive up wages. For now us faithful Catholics, as well as Mormons and Muslims, will keep civilization going.

ffhhttt 3y ago
This seems to be a big issue. e.g. it seems Israel has permanently shifted to the right because of the excessive growth of the (societally/economically) useless ultra-orthodox population. While other people have to spend their lives working they can spend their reading their boom and having dozens of children because of government subsidies.
- agensaequivocum 3y ago
  Yes of course religious people only have kids because they just want those government subsidies, not because God told us to "be fruitful and multiply"
  - ffhhttt 3y ago
    I never said that’s the reason why they do that. It’s possibly one of the reasons why they can, though. Also I was almost exclusively talking about a specific group in Israel: 50% or so of ultra-Orthodox men in Israel do not work (instead they spend their days studying religious texts or something…). They have massive amounts of children and are supported by the state and/or their wives (78% of whom do have jobs).
    - heavenlyblue 3y ago
      For reference, there's 16% Ultra-Orthhodox follower in Israel (which itself has a popultion of 9millopn).
Shawnj2 3y ago
We should just normalize stay at home spouses, no need for it to specifically be moms. Also we need to bump wages enough for that to make sense for most people.
- agensaequivocum 3y ago
  No moms specifically. It's better for the family as their nature is specifically ordered toward raising children. Men on the other hand are ordered towards protecting and providing for the family. The feminist movement to get women working is the great hoax. It makes women miserable and it is the single great cause of the wage stagnation by doubling the workforce. Corporation love this.
  - nataliste 3y ago
    Do you think that the Catholic Church has historically or presently embraced wage labor outside the home? Is modern society something that fathers can protect their kids from by being absent? I say as this as one of five kids of a Traditionalist Catholic father who rolled around with Marcel Lefebvre. None of his kids are Catholic. And it wasn't for a lack of a decent catechesis.

Normalize stay-at-home moms. This will raise the birthrate and drive up wages. For now us faithful Catholics, as well as Mormons and Muslims, will keep civilization going.

ffhhttt 3y ago

This seems to be a big issue. e.g. it seems Israel has permanently shifted to the right because of the excessive growth of the (societally/economically) useless ultra-orthodox population. While other people have to spend their lives working they can spend their reading their boom and having dozens of children because of government subsidies.

agensaequivocum 3y ago
Yes of course religious people only have kids because they just want those government subsidies, not because God told us to "be fruitful and multiply"
- ffhhttt 3y ago
  I never said that’s the reason why they do that. It’s possibly one of the reasons why they can, though. Also I was almost exclusively talking about a specific group in Israel: 50% or so of ultra-Orthodox men in Israel do not work (instead they spend their days studying religious texts or something…). They have massive amounts of children and are supported by the state and/or their wives (78% of whom do have jobs).
  - heavenlyblue 3y ago
    For reference, there's 16% Ultra-Orthhodox follower in Israel (which itself has a popultion of 9millopn).

Shawnj2 3y ago

We should just normalize stay at home spouses, no need for it to specifically be moms. Also we need to bump wages enough for that to make sense for most people.

agensaequivocum 3y ago
No moms specifically. It's better for the family as their nature is specifically ordered toward raising children. Men on the other hand are ordered towards protecting and providing for the family. The feminist movement to get women working is the great hoax. It makes women miserable and it is the single great cause of the wage stagnation by doubling the workforce. Corporation love this.
- nataliste 3y ago
  Do you think that the Catholic Church has historically or presently embraced wage labor outside the home? Is modern society something that fathers can protect their kids from by being absent? I say as this as one of five kids of a Traditionalist Catholic father who rolled around with Marcel Lefebvre. None of his kids are Catholic. And it wasn't for a lack of a decent catechesis.