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Perhaps there's a silver lining to this. Maybe the remaining vultures have a resistance to the drug and with an abundance of food they will be able to recover?

Perhaps there's a silver lining to this. Maybe the remaining vultures have a resistance to the drug and with an abundance of food they will be able to recover? I don't know any of this I'm just trying to be positive.

ars 3y ago
Once the cause was noticed governments were relatively quick at banning Diclofenac and vulture numbers are slowly recovering. Also people are breeding vultures with the intent to release them eventually. (There is still some illegal use of Diclofenac because it's legal for human use and some gets diverted to veterinary use.)
- supriyo-biswas 3y ago
  Is there any record of the Indian government doing it? Ecological collapses such as this incident are quite serious and it’d make me happy to hear that some action is being taken.
  - civilitty 3y ago
    From the Drug Controller General of India in 2007 (the sources seem to be off by a year, or maybe it's just bureaucracy delays) [1]: > AGENDA ITEM NO.1 > CREATION OF A NEW SCHEDULE-H(1) AND CORRESPONDING CHANGES IN THE RULES UNDER THE DRUGS AND COSMETICS RULES FOR SPECIAL PRODUCTS WHICH ARE REOUIRED TO BE SOLD UNDER SPECIFIED CONDITIONS i.e. DICLOFENAC AND SPECIFYING CONDITIONS FOR SALE OF SUCH PRODUCTS. > DCG(I) explained that at present the sale of drugs is regulated under Schedule-H (prescription drugs), and under Schedule-X {psychotropic or habit forming drugs). A need is, however, being felt that a separate Schedule is required to monitor, control and evaluate sales of certain specific drugs where it is not desirable to allow indiscriminate and unregulated access. Such drugs- would be regulated through a new Schedule i.e. Schedule-H(l). The specific sale conditions for the drug will be notified by the Ministry of Healthand FW through notification. > The committee after deliberations agreed to the creation of a new Schedule-H 1 under the Drugs and Cosmetics Rules which would be strictly monitored by the State drug inspectors with a specific reference to Diclofenac preparations in respect of their veterinary use. The DCC also agreed to the prohibition of Diclofenac preparations for veterinary use. It further recommended that Diclofenac formulations meant for human use will print on their labels “Not for Veterinary Use” [1] https://cdsco.gov.in/opencms/resources/UploadCDSCOWeb/2018/UploadCommitteeFiles/38dcc.pdf https://cdsco.gov.in/opencms/resources/UploadCDSCOWeb/2018/U...
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- RachelF 3y ago
  It's still legal in Spain, and kills vultures there.
  - Mordisquitos 3y ago
    As a Spaniard I wasn't aware of this, thanks. I did a quick search for relevant news articles about it in case others are interested: [en_GB] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/11/rare-european-vultures-being-poisoned-by-livestock-drug https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/11/rare-eur... [es_ES] https://www.eldiario.es/sociedad/alerta-diclofenaco-medicamento-diezmo-buitres-india-mata-colonias-espana_1_7898241.html https://www.eldiario.es/sociedad/alerta-diclofenaco-medicame...
  - ars 3y ago
    It's less of a problem there because unlike India, when a cow dies in Spain it's disposed of rather than being left for vultures to eat.
    - pvaldes 3y ago
      > when a cow dies in Spain it's disposed of rather than being left for vultures to eat. Sure. Do you remember extensive cattle farming? The Fapas organization was what saved the vultures in Spain since 90's. Its main goal was to assure a steady supply of dead cattle so the vultures can eat. They sow the seeds that allowed the reintroduction of the bearded vulture decades later.
      - pvaldes 3y ago
        The difference between India and Spain is that we eat the cattle. Diclofenaco appears only in work animals, racehorses, etc. Most of the time, when you find vultures poisoned in Spain are on purpose not necessarily with this product. That superstitious behavior is getting less common.
yipbub 3y ago
Perhaps my grandmother has wheels, maybe she is a motorcycle :) > I don't know any of this I'm just trying to be positive. I joke to make a point, but I sympathize with the need.
- eecc 3y ago
  Spotted the Italian. Saluti
dreamcompiler 3y ago
Western vultures are much less vulnerable to death by Diclofenac, although it's still not good for them. It's a peculiar feature of Asian vultures. Doubly so in India because cows die in the field there in much higher numbers than in countries where cows are harvested for food.

ars 3y ago

Once the cause was noticed governments were relatively quick at banning Diclofenac and vulture numbers are slowly recovering. Also people are breeding vultures with the intent to release them eventually. (There is still some illegal use of Diclofenac because it's legal for human use and some gets diverted to veterinary use.)

supriyo-biswas 3y ago
Is there any record of the Indian government doing it? Ecological collapses such as this incident are quite serious and it’d make me happy to hear that some action is being taken.
- civilitty 3y ago
  From the Drug Controller General of India in 2007 (the sources seem to be off by a year, or maybe it's just bureaucracy delays) [1]: > AGENDA ITEM NO.1 > CREATION OF A NEW SCHEDULE-H(1) AND CORRESPONDING CHANGES IN THE RULES UNDER THE DRUGS AND COSMETICS RULES FOR SPECIAL PRODUCTS WHICH ARE REOUIRED TO BE SOLD UNDER SPECIFIED CONDITIONS i.e. DICLOFENAC AND SPECIFYING CONDITIONS FOR SALE OF SUCH PRODUCTS. > DCG(I) explained that at present the sale of drugs is regulated under Schedule-H (prescription drugs), and under Schedule-X {psychotropic or habit forming drugs). A need is, however, being felt that a separate Schedule is required to monitor, control and evaluate sales of certain specific drugs where it is not desirable to allow indiscriminate and unregulated access. Such drugs- would be regulated through a new Schedule i.e. Schedule-H(l). The specific sale conditions for the drug will be notified by the Ministry of Healthand FW through notification. > The committee after deliberations agreed to the creation of a new Schedule-H 1 under the Drugs and Cosmetics Rules which would be strictly monitored by the State drug inspectors with a specific reference to Diclofenac preparations in respect of their veterinary use. The DCC also agreed to the prohibition of Diclofenac preparations for veterinary use. It further recommended that Diclofenac formulations meant for human use will print on their labels “Not for Veterinary Use” [1] https://cdsco.gov.in/opencms/resources/UploadCDSCOWeb/2018/UploadCommitteeFiles/38dcc.pdf https://cdsco.gov.in/opencms/resources/UploadCDSCOWeb/2018/U...
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RachelF 3y ago
It's still legal in Spain, and kills vultures there.
- Mordisquitos 3y ago
  As a Spaniard I wasn't aware of this, thanks. I did a quick search for relevant news articles about it in case others are interested: [en_GB] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/11/rare-european-vultures-being-poisoned-by-livestock-drug https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/11/rare-eur... [es_ES] https://www.eldiario.es/sociedad/alerta-diclofenaco-medicamento-diezmo-buitres-india-mata-colonias-espana_1_7898241.html https://www.eldiario.es/sociedad/alerta-diclofenaco-medicame...
- ars 3y ago
  It's less of a problem there because unlike India, when a cow dies in Spain it's disposed of rather than being left for vultures to eat.
  - pvaldes 3y ago
    > when a cow dies in Spain it's disposed of rather than being left for vultures to eat. Sure. Do you remember extensive cattle farming? The Fapas organization was what saved the vultures in Spain since 90's. Its main goal was to assure a steady supply of dead cattle so the vultures can eat. They sow the seeds that allowed the reintroduction of the bearded vulture decades later.
    - pvaldes 3y ago
      The difference between India and Spain is that we eat the cattle. Diclofenaco appears only in work animals, racehorses, etc. Most of the time, when you find vultures poisoned in Spain are on purpose not necessarily with this product. That superstitious behavior is getting less common.

yipbub 3y ago

Perhaps my grandmother has wheels, maybe she is a motorcycle :) > I don't know any of this I'm just trying to be positive. I joke to make a point, but I sympathize with the need.

eecc 3y ago
Spotted the Italian. Saluti

dreamcompiler 3y ago

Western vultures are much less vulnerable to death by Diclofenac, although it's still not good for them. It's a peculiar feature of Asian vultures. Doubly so in India because cows die in the field there in much higher numbers than in countries where cows are harvested for food.