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Its not about "I must know the truth!" as much as its about making important decisions for myself and others in my social circle. But as I said before, I'm not

Its not about "I must know the truth!" as much as its about making important decisions for myself and others in my social circle. But as I said before, I'm not interested in convincing you. I'm just curious what your background is. Whether you're young and naive or old and jaded doesn't matter too much aside from my curiosity. This discussion only convinces me of the further need to build communities where truth is important, as I'm sure there's plenty of people like you who I'll need to watch out for. Some of us have important decisions to be made where the truth matters. If you're not part of it, that's fine. But don't muck up what we're trying to do or our seeking of truth to improve our lives, or the lives of people who are close to us.

randomdata 3y ago
> Its not about "I must know the truth!" as much as its about making important decisions for myself and others in my social circle. It can only about "I must know the truth!". Important decisions take in all information and use it with the worldview model to determine the best course of action. What is actually true or false doesn't matter to that model. It's able to tease out what is important, usually... Yes, sometimes the model fails, but that happens even with truthful information fed into it. As was pointed out earlier, the truth about COVID-19 was relayed through every channel imaginable, but was still no match for an erroneous model. Such is life. In fact, it may even be an evolutionary adaptation for some models to become erroneous. Consider the local maxima problem in machine learning. One way to break out of that is to try something different and see if you can find a new maxima. We may have gotten here as a species because some mutation causing 'random defects' in the mind occurred, and some of those 'defects' proved to be better. > This discussion only convinces me of the further need to build communities where truth is important Is a community of one really a community? If you can establish truth, there is no more value in community. That's why we don't sit around talking about 1+1=2 all day long. We could, but why would we? It would be pointless. People only talk about things they are unsure of in an effort to expand that model. People will share what they think they know, but as the mind cannot handle full truths, you are only ever going to hear a simplification that misses important nuance even in the best case. The model has to account for that. As such, it is optimized to function without requiring truths. All information is useful.

randomdata 3y ago

> Its not about "I must know the truth!" as much as its about making important decisions for myself and others in my social circle. It can only about "I must know the truth!". Important decisions take in all information and use it with the worldview model to determine the best course of action. What is actually true or false doesn't matter to that model. It's able to tease out what is important, usually... Yes, sometimes the model fails, but that happens even with truthful information fed into it. As was pointed out earlier, the truth about COVID-19 was relayed through every channel imaginable, but was still no match for an erroneous model. Such is life. In fact, it may even be an evolutionary adaptation for some models to become erroneous. Consider the local maxima problem in machine learning. One way to break out of that is to try something different and see if you can find a new maxima. We may have gotten here as a species because some mutation causing 'random defects' in the mind occurred, and some of those 'defects' proved to be better. > This discussion only convinces me of the further need to build communities where truth is important Is a community of one really a community? If you can establish truth, there is no more value in community. That's why we don't sit around talking about 1+1=2 all day long. We could, but why would we? It would be pointless. People only talk about things they are unsure of in an effort to expand that model. People will share what they think they know, but as the mind cannot handle full truths, you are only ever going to hear a simplification that misses important nuance even in the best case. The model has to account for that. As such, it is optimized to function without requiring truths. All information is useful.