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> How old are you? Old enough that I'm past the "I must know the truth!" phase of my life. Don't get me wrong, I was there once upon a time. I came to see it a

> How old are you? Old enough that I'm past the "I must know the truth!" phase of my life. Don't get me wrong, I was there once upon a time. I came to see it as a fool's errand. > Like, what to do with your money? Outside of basic things like food? Save it, mostly. > Whether or not Car X or Car Y is good / bad / shilled / whatever? I don't buy many things, but I have most certainly tried the whole agonizing over what is good, bad, shilled, whatever – studying a product in intimate detail in the past. I knew what was true, but when I got it home I was still disappointed in my purchase as what I thought was important turned out to not be. Is it really worth worrying about? If you feel there is value in owning something, you kind of just have to try it and see what happens. Hopefully you made a good choice. If not, hopefully you have a chance to try again. > Investments is yet another decision for anyone who is trying to provide for themselves and/or their families, so the truth in stuff to invest into (or not invest into) is of high importance. I invest in things I like doing. I like farming, so that is where a large part of my portfolio is found. And, as it happens, I don't think I could have done better anywhere else – but, really, that was just a lot of luck. I won't likely remain a good investment forever, but at least I'll still have the fun. Where is the fun in crypto?

dragontamer 3y ago
Its not about "I must know the truth!" as much as its about making important decisions for myself and others in my social circle. But as I said before, I'm not interested in convincing you. I'm just curious what your background is. Whether you're young and naive or old and jaded doesn't matter too much aside from my curiosity. This discussion only convinces me of the further need to build communities where truth is important, as I'm sure there's plenty of people like you who I'll need to watch out for. Some of us have important decisions to be made where the truth matters. If you're not part of it, that's fine. But don't muck up what we're trying to do or our seeking of truth to improve our lives, or the lives of people who are close to us.
- randomdata 3y ago
  > Its not about "I must know the truth!" as much as its about making important decisions for myself and others in my social circle. It can only about "I must know the truth!". Important decisions take in all information and use it with the worldview model to determine the best course of action. What is actually true or false doesn't matter to that model. It's able to tease out what is important, usually... Yes, sometimes the model fails, but that happens even with truthful information fed into it. As was pointed out earlier, the truth about COVID-19 was relayed through every channel imaginable, but was still no match for an erroneous model. Such is life. In fact, it may even be an evolutionary adaptation for some models to become erroneous. Consider the local maxima problem in machine learning. One way to break out of that is to try something different and see if you can find a new maxima. We may have gotten here as a species because some mutation causing 'random defects' in the mind occurred, and some of those 'defects' proved to be better. > This discussion only convinces me of the further need to build communities where truth is important Is a community of one really a community? If you can establish truth, there is no more value in community. That's why we don't sit around talking about 1+1=2 all day long. We could, but why would we? It would be pointless. People only talk about things they are unsure of in an effort to expand that model. People will share what they think they know, but as the mind cannot handle full truths, you are only ever going to hear a simplification that misses important nuance even in the best case. The model has to account for that. As such, it is optimized to function without requiring truths. All information is useful.

dragontamer 3y ago

Its not about "I must know the truth!" as much as its about making important decisions for myself and others in my social circle. But as I said before, I'm not interested in convincing you. I'm just curious what your background is. Whether you're young and naive or old and jaded doesn't matter too much aside from my curiosity. This discussion only convinces me of the further need to build communities where truth is important, as I'm sure there's plenty of people like you who I'll need to watch out for. Some of us have important decisions to be made where the truth matters. If you're not part of it, that's fine. But don't muck up what we're trying to do or our seeking of truth to improve our lives, or the lives of people who are close to us.

randomdata 3y ago
> Its not about "I must know the truth!" as much as its about making important decisions for myself and others in my social circle. It can only about "I must know the truth!". Important decisions take in all information and use it with the worldview model to determine the best course of action. What is actually true or false doesn't matter to that model. It's able to tease out what is important, usually... Yes, sometimes the model fails, but that happens even with truthful information fed into it. As was pointed out earlier, the truth about COVID-19 was relayed through every channel imaginable, but was still no match for an erroneous model. Such is life. In fact, it may even be an evolutionary adaptation for some models to become erroneous. Consider the local maxima problem in machine learning. One way to break out of that is to try something different and see if you can find a new maxima. We may have gotten here as a species because some mutation causing 'random defects' in the mind occurred, and some of those 'defects' proved to be better. > This discussion only convinces me of the further need to build communities where truth is important Is a community of one really a community? If you can establish truth, there is no more value in community. That's why we don't sit around talking about 1+1=2 all day long. We could, but why would we? It would be pointless. People only talk about things they are unsure of in an effort to expand that model. People will share what they think they know, but as the mind cannot handle full truths, you are only ever going to hear a simplification that misses important nuance even in the best case. The model has to account for that. As such, it is optimized to function without requiring truths. All information is useful.