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well, the title is really out of context, afaict (not a native speaker). I think he means they built a community by playing the big cloud platforms against each

by mqus 3y ago

well, the title is really out of context, afaict (not a native speaker). I think he means they built a community by playing the big cloud platforms against each other (e.g. tell microsoft that they should advertise terraform so their users can more easily switch to azure, tell the same to amazon, google, oracle, etc). Sure, he says malicious, and it seems to be a bit forced, but for me the HN title really oversells it. The other aspect is that this is 4 months old and not really relevant for the current debate regarding the license changes (which it seemed to aim at, when first reading the title).

inhumantsar 3y ago
He explicitly says that malicious is the right word and it's not the playing of cloud providers off one another, it was the virality play. He says, "if you want to be a part of JP Morgan's cloud program then you need to write a terraform provider."
- TechBro8615 3y ago
  As far as "malicious" goes, this is like paying with an expired coupon for your discounted lunch. I've seen 100x worse in businesses like social apps. The guy seems kind of insecure by overexaggerating the maliciousness aspect of it. I'd say he's being too hard on himself for following what's ultimately standard business tactics.
jiveturkey 3y ago
It's too bad you're being downvoted, because you are more right than wrong. My listening of it is the same as yours. he wasn't calling the practice malicious towards the community itself; in fact it's SOP. he clearly (?) meant it was malicious (his own self-amused take on it, not "evil" malicious) towards the 4 targets that mattered. the success as a product required such "maliciousness" towards those 4 targets. not too unlike states in the USA needing to individually legalize marijuana before it would be considered at all federally. I do find the HN title truthy. I think I did read into the title what the author was intending, ie to be clickbaity what with the new licensing. where you're wrong is saying that this being 4 months old isn't relevant to the license change. he/hashicorp didn't suddenly come up with the new license 2 weeks ago and then made it happen. it's something you think about for awhile, certainly at least over 2 quarters of missed growth for your own cloud product. so what he said in public 4 months ago is very relevant.

by mqus 3y ago

inhumantsar 3y ago

He explicitly says that malicious is the right word and it's not the playing of cloud providers off one another, it was the virality play. He says, "if you want to be a part of JP Morgan's cloud program then you need to write a terraform provider."

TechBro8615 3y ago
As far as "malicious" goes, this is like paying with an expired coupon for your discounted lunch. I've seen 100x worse in businesses like social apps. The guy seems kind of insecure by overexaggerating the maliciousness aspect of it. I'd say he's being too hard on himself for following what's ultimately standard business tactics.

jiveturkey 3y ago

It's too bad you're being downvoted, because you are more right than wrong. My listening of it is the same as yours. he wasn't calling the practice malicious towards the community itself; in fact it's SOP. he clearly (?) meant it was malicious (his own self-amused take on it, not "evil" malicious) towards the 4 targets that mattered. the success as a product required such "maliciousness" towards those 4 targets. not too unlike states in the USA needing to individually legalize marijuana before it would be considered at all federally. I do find the HN title truthy. I think I did read into the title what the author was intending, ie to be clickbaity what with the new licensing. where you're wrong is saying that this being 4 months old isn't relevant to the license change. he/hashicorp didn't suddenly come up with the new license 2 weeks ago and then made it happen. it's something you think about for awhile, certainly at least over 2 quarters of missed growth for your own cloud product. so what he said in public 4 months ago is very relevant.