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But it is denying demonization of men. "Men failed, men have fallen, men find less meaning" - society is fair and balanced (when it's not a white hetero-patriar

But it is denying demonization of men. "Men failed, men have fallen, men find less meaning" - society is fair and balanced (when it's not a white hetero-patriarchy), men just aren't fit for it, is the takeaway. Meanwhile: While plenty of shelters for women existed, the only publicly funded services available for men were for anger management. "As a victim, I was re-victimized by having these services telling me that I wasn't a victim, but I was a perpetrator," [..] "Family violence has gone from a social issue to only a woman's issue. So any support for men is interpreted as being against women," said Silverman in an interview with Beacon News. In early 2013, Silverman announced that the sanctuary will be closing because he could no longer afford to run it due to a lack of funding. He sold the house shortly after to a man named Steven Howitt, and committed suicide the next day. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Silverman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Silverman So there's no interest in helping males, except helping them feel guilty, sorry, "deconstruct their privilege": https://www.city-journal.org/lockheed-martins-woke-industrial-complex https://www.city-journal.org/lockheed-martins-woke-industria... What happens when eliminating discrimination accidentally slightly helps men? It's considered a failure and is immediately paused: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/bilnd-recruitment-trial-to-improve-gender-equality-failing-study/8664888 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/bilnd-recruitment-tri... Of course outlets like MotherJones will remain willfully credulous how feminism wants to help men (if they'd just admit how they are to blame for everything and repent first).

zzzeek 3y ago
> society is fair and balanced (when it's not a white hetero-patriarchy), men just aren't fit for it, is the takeaway. that is most certainly not what the article says. it squarely takes aim at soaring income inequality as a key factor, for example. Are we to read your anecdotes and then conclude, "wow Andrew Tate is right, women really should be treated as second class citizens, to be sexually trafficked and otherwise by people such as myself, otherwise men will continue be mistreated" ? Re the Lockheed thing, that article is written by Chris Rufo who is pretty much the most successful right wing propagandist of our time right now, literally single-handedly convinced half the country that "critical race theory" is being taught to public school kids, which it is not, in any way, or has ever been, or will ever be [1]. One Chris Rufo is worth 25 "Mother Joneses" on the scale of bias. I work for a large multinational company with a robust DEI program (Red Hat via IBM) and DEI programs are nothing like whatever that was that Lockheed was doing, which based on the ultra-right-wing propagandist source who wrote that story I would be extremely suspect is vastly out of context. [1] https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/how-a-conservative-activist-invented-the-conflict-over-critical-race-theory https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/how-a-conse...
- SenAnder 3y ago
  Just because I see through the false benevolence of media like MotherJones does not imply I fall for or agree with materialist misogynist grifters like Tate. Of course grifters are the only ones of the men's rights faction that publications like MotherJones will publicize. Look at your reply again - I highlight unfairness towards men, you accuse me of hating women. Perhaps this confusion is excusable, since the article did bring up genuine preachers of misogyny like Tate [1], and attacking the article can be confused for defending Tate. But look at how similar it is to what Earl Silverman faced: "any support for men is interpreted as being against women" > literally single-handedly convinced half the country that "critical race theory" is being taught to public school kids, which it is not, in any way, or has ever been, or will ever be That's what public officials claim when asked about CRT. But looking at educational materials and training directly paints a different picture [2,5]. I'd rather not get into the rabbit hole of CRT, as it is unrelated to the topic at hand. I merely highlight this to show Chris Rufo is not as unreliable as you allege. [1] All I know about him comes from the likes of MotherJones or the BBC, whom I trust to report half-truths at best on such a topic, but for the sake of argument, let's assume they're accurate in this case. [2] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-dept-of-education-website-promotes-crt-despite-mcauliffe-claims-its-never-been-taught-there https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-dept-of-education-... - If you don't trust Fox, the Virginia dept. of education websites are still accessible via archive.org [3,4]. I have confirmed they contain the alleged documents. [3] https://web.archive.org/web/20191218011707/https://www.doe.virginia.gov/administrators/superintendents_memos/2019/index.shtml https://web.archive.org/web/20191218011707/https://www.doe.v... [4] https://web.archive.org/web/20161002014407/https://www.doe.virginia.gov/support/virginia_tiered_system_supports/resources/2015_fall_institute/Legal_implications_of_discipline.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20161002014407/https://www.doe.v... [5] https://www.foxnews.com/media/canadian-principals-suicide-alleged-bullying-whiteness-crt-training-sparks-investigation https://www.foxnews.com/media/canadian-principals-suicide-al...

zzzeek 3y ago

> society is fair and balanced (when it's not a white hetero-patriarchy), men just aren't fit for it, is the takeaway. that is most certainly not what the article says. it squarely takes aim at soaring income inequality as a key factor, for example. Are we to read your anecdotes and then conclude, "wow Andrew Tate is right, women really should be treated as second class citizens, to be sexually trafficked and otherwise by people such as myself, otherwise men will continue be mistreated" ? Re the Lockheed thing, that article is written by Chris Rufo who is pretty much the most successful right wing propagandist of our time right now, literally single-handedly convinced half the country that "critical race theory" is being taught to public school kids, which it is not, in any way, or has ever been, or will ever be [1]. One Chris Rufo is worth 25 "Mother Joneses" on the scale of bias. I work for a large multinational company with a robust DEI program (Red Hat via IBM) and DEI programs are nothing like whatever that was that Lockheed was doing, which based on the ultra-right-wing propagandist source who wrote that story I would be extremely suspect is vastly out of context. [1] https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/how-a-conservative-activist-invented-the-conflict-over-critical-race-theory https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/how-a-conse...

SenAnder 3y ago
Just because I see through the false benevolence of media like MotherJones does not imply I fall for or agree with materialist misogynist grifters like Tate. Of course grifters are the only ones of the men's rights faction that publications like MotherJones will publicize. Look at your reply again - I highlight unfairness towards men, you accuse me of hating women. Perhaps this confusion is excusable, since the article did bring up genuine preachers of misogyny like Tate [1], and attacking the article can be confused for defending Tate. But look at how similar it is to what Earl Silverman faced: "any support for men is interpreted as being against women" > literally single-handedly convinced half the country that "critical race theory" is being taught to public school kids, which it is not, in any way, or has ever been, or will ever be That's what public officials claim when asked about CRT. But looking at educational materials and training directly paints a different picture [2,5]. I'd rather not get into the rabbit hole of CRT, as it is unrelated to the topic at hand. I merely highlight this to show Chris Rufo is not as unreliable as you allege. [1] All I know about him comes from the likes of MotherJones or the BBC, whom I trust to report half-truths at best on such a topic, but for the sake of argument, let's assume they're accurate in this case. [2] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-dept-of-education-website-promotes-crt-despite-mcauliffe-claims-its-never-been-taught-there https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-dept-of-education-... - If you don't trust Fox, the Virginia dept. of education websites are still accessible via archive.org [3,4]. I have confirmed they contain the alleged documents. [3] https://web.archive.org/web/20191218011707/https://www.doe.virginia.gov/administrators/superintendents_memos/2019/index.shtml https://web.archive.org/web/20191218011707/https://www.doe.v... [4] https://web.archive.org/web/20161002014407/https://www.doe.virginia.gov/support/virginia_tiered_system_supports/resources/2015_fall_institute/Legal_implications_of_discipline.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20161002014407/https://www.doe.v... [5] https://www.foxnews.com/media/canadian-principals-suicide-alleged-bullying-whiteness-crt-training-sparks-investigation https://www.foxnews.com/media/canadian-principals-suicide-al...