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> Twitter is for pumping illegitimate, unregulated securities like LunaCoin / Terra and other failed cryptocoins. Okay, and if you don't get wrapped up in thin

> Twitter is for pumping illegitimate, unregulated securities like LunaCoin / Terra and other failed cryptocoins. Okay, and if you don't get wrapped up in thinking the message is true, what difference does it make? You could get yourself in trouble if you are concerned about the truth, and then pick the 'wrong truth', indeed. But why would you do that? > And this has seemingly gotten worse over the past year, at least in my eyes. They say the Twitter algorithm feeds you what you want to see. This may be a "you" problem. I've never seen anything about crypto on Twitter. Mostly weather-related content and sometimes farmers posting pictures from the field. That's about it.

dragontamer 3y ago
How old are you? Are you really so young that you've never had to make a decision in your life? Like, what to do with your money? Which goods to purchase? Whether or not Car X or Car Y is good / bad / shilled / whatever? Is school district X better or school district Y better, or is it just local FUD / fake crap? Investments is yet another decision for anyone who is trying to provide for themselves and/or their families, so the truth in stuff to invest into (or not invest into) is of high importance. Do you not make decisions that affect you... or people you care about? I'm struggling to figure out how naive you are and what your background is. If truth doesn't matter to you, so be it. I'm not here to convince you. But I'm still curious who you are and how you can get through life with this attitude. There's a myriad of such choices I encounter on a daily basis, be it at work, at home, in my family, in the families of my friends and so forth. To see someone so disinterested in such details (and apparently ignorant of the importance of truth in these situations) is... intriguing to me. ------------ I decided that Lunacoin was a scam, as are many other cryptocoins. So I am safe. My coworker, a close friend of mine, also agreed it was a scam. However, he didn't realize that Celsius was wrapped up in it. And therefore, lost $X0,000 to the situation. That's $X0,000 that his children will not be able to use through schooling, or for his next car or retirement. He placed his trust in Celsisus and got overrun by the Terra/Lunacoin disaster, despite paying attention to it he was unable to predict the trajectory of that situation in time to save his money. Those who found out the truth faster got their money out in time, before everything collapsed. ---------- I mean, I guess it hasn't really affected his life or my life. We all can afford a $X0,000 mistake here and there and not really sweat it. But it does change our purchase habits over the next few years to save back up and put our financial house back in order when these kinds of things happen.
- randomdata 3y ago
  > How old are you? Old enough that I'm past the "I must know the truth!" phase of my life. Don't get me wrong, I was there once upon a time. I came to see it as a fool's errand. > Like, what to do with your money? Outside of basic things like food? Save it, mostly. > Whether or not Car X or Car Y is good / bad / shilled / whatever? I don't buy many things, but I have most certainly tried the whole agonizing over what is good, bad, shilled, whatever – studying a product in intimate detail in the past. I knew what was true, but when I got it home I was still disappointed in my purchase as what I thought was important turned out to not be. Is it really worth worrying about? If you feel there is value in owning something, you kind of just have to try it and see what happens. Hopefully you made a good choice. If not, hopefully you have a chance to try again. > Investments is yet another decision for anyone who is trying to provide for themselves and/or their families, so the truth in stuff to invest into (or not invest into) is of high importance. I invest in things I like doing. I like farming, so that is where a large part of my portfolio is found. And, as it happens, I don't think I could have done better anywhere else – but, really, that was just a lot of luck. I won't likely remain a good investment forever, but at least I'll still have the fun. Where is the fun in crypto?
  - dragontamer 3y ago
    Its not about "I must know the truth!" as much as its about making important decisions for myself and others in my social circle. But as I said before, I'm not interested in convincing you. I'm just curious what your background is. Whether you're young and naive or old and jaded doesn't matter too much aside from my curiosity. This discussion only convinces me of the further need to build communities where truth is important, as I'm sure there's plenty of people like you who I'll need to watch out for. Some of us have important decisions to be made where the truth matters. If you're not part of it, that's fine. But don't muck up what we're trying to do or our seeking of truth to improve our lives, or the lives of people who are close to us.
    - randomdata 3y ago
      > Its not about "I must know the truth!" as much as its about making important decisions for myself and others in my social circle. It can only about "I must know the truth!". Important decisions take in all information and use it with the worldview model to determine the best course of action. What is actually true or false doesn't matter to that model. It's able to tease out what is important, usually... Yes, sometimes the model fails, but that happens even with truthful information fed into it. As was pointed out earlier, the truth about COVID-19 was relayed through every channel imaginable, but was still no match for an erroneous model. Such is life. In fact, it may even be an evolutionary adaptation for some models to become erroneous. Consider the local maxima problem in machine learning. One way to break out of that is to try something different and see if you can find a new maxima. We may have gotten here as a species because some mutation causing 'random defects' in the mind occurred, and some of those 'defects' proved to be better. > This discussion only convinces me of the further need to build communities where truth is important Is a community of one really a community? If you can establish truth, there is no more value in community. That's why we don't sit around talking about 1+1=2 all day long. We could, but why would we? It would be pointless. People only talk about things they are unsure of in an effort to expand that model. People will share what they think they know, but as the mind cannot handle full truths, you are only ever going to hear a simplification that misses important nuance even in the best case. The model has to account for that. As such, it is optimized to function without requiring truths. All information is useful.

dragontamer 3y ago

How old are you? Are you really so young that you've never had to make a decision in your life? Like, what to do with your money? Which goods to purchase? Whether or not Car X or Car Y is good / bad / shilled / whatever? Is school district X better or school district Y better, or is it just local FUD / fake crap? Investments is yet another decision for anyone who is trying to provide for themselves and/or their families, so the truth in stuff to invest into (or not invest into) is of high importance. Do you not make decisions that affect you... or people you care about? I'm struggling to figure out how naive you are and what your background is. If truth doesn't matter to you, so be it. I'm not here to convince you. But I'm still curious who you are and how you can get through life with this attitude. There's a myriad of such choices I encounter on a daily basis, be it at work, at home, in my family, in the families of my friends and so forth. To see someone so disinterested in such details (and apparently ignorant of the importance of truth in these situations) is... intriguing to me. ------------ I decided that Lunacoin was a scam, as are many other cryptocoins. So I am safe. My coworker, a close friend of mine, also agreed it was a scam. However, he didn't realize that Celsius was wrapped up in it. And therefore, lost $X0,000 to the situation. That's $X0,000 that his children will not be able to use through schooling, or for his next car or retirement. He placed his trust in Celsisus and got overrun by the Terra/Lunacoin disaster, despite paying attention to it he was unable to predict the trajectory of that situation in time to save his money. Those who found out the truth faster got their money out in time, before everything collapsed. ---------- I mean, I guess it hasn't really affected his life or my life. We all can afford a $X0,000 mistake here and there and not really sweat it. But it does change our purchase habits over the next few years to save back up and put our financial house back in order when these kinds of things happen.

randomdata 3y ago
> How old are you? Old enough that I'm past the "I must know the truth!" phase of my life. Don't get me wrong, I was there once upon a time. I came to see it as a fool's errand. > Like, what to do with your money? Outside of basic things like food? Save it, mostly. > Whether or not Car X or Car Y is good / bad / shilled / whatever? I don't buy many things, but I have most certainly tried the whole agonizing over what is good, bad, shilled, whatever – studying a product in intimate detail in the past. I knew what was true, but when I got it home I was still disappointed in my purchase as what I thought was important turned out to not be. Is it really worth worrying about? If you feel there is value in owning something, you kind of just have to try it and see what happens. Hopefully you made a good choice. If not, hopefully you have a chance to try again. > Investments is yet another decision for anyone who is trying to provide for themselves and/or their families, so the truth in stuff to invest into (or not invest into) is of high importance. I invest in things I like doing. I like farming, so that is where a large part of my portfolio is found. And, as it happens, I don't think I could have done better anywhere else – but, really, that was just a lot of luck. I won't likely remain a good investment forever, but at least I'll still have the fun. Where is the fun in crypto?
- dragontamer 3y ago
  Its not about "I must know the truth!" as much as its about making important decisions for myself and others in my social circle. But as I said before, I'm not interested in convincing you. I'm just curious what your background is. Whether you're young and naive or old and jaded doesn't matter too much aside from my curiosity. This discussion only convinces me of the further need to build communities where truth is important, as I'm sure there's plenty of people like you who I'll need to watch out for. Some of us have important decisions to be made where the truth matters. If you're not part of it, that's fine. But don't muck up what we're trying to do or our seeking of truth to improve our lives, or the lives of people who are close to us.
  - randomdata 3y ago
    > Its not about "I must know the truth!" as much as its about making important decisions for myself and others in my social circle. It can only about "I must know the truth!". Important decisions take in all information and use it with the worldview model to determine the best course of action. What is actually true or false doesn't matter to that model. It's able to tease out what is important, usually... Yes, sometimes the model fails, but that happens even with truthful information fed into it. As was pointed out earlier, the truth about COVID-19 was relayed through every channel imaginable, but was still no match for an erroneous model. Such is life. In fact, it may even be an evolutionary adaptation for some models to become erroneous. Consider the local maxima problem in machine learning. One way to break out of that is to try something different and see if you can find a new maxima. We may have gotten here as a species because some mutation causing 'random defects' in the mind occurred, and some of those 'defects' proved to be better. > This discussion only convinces me of the further need to build communities where truth is important Is a community of one really a community? If you can establish truth, there is no more value in community. That's why we don't sit around talking about 1+1=2 all day long. We could, but why would we? It would be pointless. People only talk about things they are unsure of in an effort to expand that model. People will share what they think they know, but as the mind cannot handle full truths, you are only ever going to hear a simplification that misses important nuance even in the best case. The model has to account for that. As such, it is optimized to function without requiring truths. All information is useful.