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The reality seems even worse. 1M+ cases of tinnitus or hearing loss linked to these earplugs, claims increasing double digits YoY.

by aabhay 3y ago

Workaccount2 3y ago
The reality of these lawsuits is that everyone with an impairment who ever used or plausibly used said product in the past will put out their hand for a payout. Is everyone lying in these suits? No. Are large numbers of people lying? Yes. It's like if dell keyboards were linked to arthritis. Suddenly everyone with arthritis is saying they used a dell keyboard for 15 years. They don't have to mention that everyone in their family going back 3 generations had arthritis.
- aabhay 3y ago
  But don’t you think that’s the first thing that 3M’s counsel looked at to try and prove their innocence? Take the veteran incidence of hearing less divided by the population level incidence of hearing loss and see if that ratio went up after the introduction of 3M earbuds? And if there’s a significant change there then it’s likely that the earbuds were defective by design or there were manufacturing issues. At that point everyone who was exposed to that phenomenon DOES deserve the payout, as there’s a plausible risk that the earbuds worsened it.
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  - Workaccount2 3y ago
    Of course they run statistical analysis, but you cannot apply those methods to a case by case evaluation. The stats just let 3M know how hard they are gonna get screwed, and it's not like they are totally innocent anyway. >At that point everyone who was exposed to that phenomenon DOES deserve the payout That's the crux right there. The only evidence of being exposed in many of the cases is simply the person's word.
- autoexec 3y ago
  I suspect there'll also be a ton of people who suffer from hearing damage because 3M hid the truth about their faulty product but who never join a class action, and that for many (if not most) who do try to get compensation whatever "payout" they get will be nothing compared to what they've lost. Hearing loss is probably something most of us will deal with at some point, and I've spoken to a lot of people who are already dealing with it and every one of them wishes they'd had more time with good hearing. It changes their daily lives and limits their ability to experience and interact with the world around them.

The reality seems even worse. 1M+ cases of tinnitus or hearing loss linked to these earplugs, claims increasing double digits YoY.

by aabhay 3y ago

The reality seems even worse. 1M+ cases of tinnitus or hearing loss linked to these earplugs, claims increasing double digits YoY.

Workaccount2 3y ago

The reality of these lawsuits is that everyone with an impairment who ever used or plausibly used said product in the past will put out their hand for a payout. Is everyone lying in these suits? No. Are large numbers of people lying? Yes. It's like if dell keyboards were linked to arthritis. Suddenly everyone with arthritis is saying they used a dell keyboard for 15 years. They don't have to mention that everyone in their family going back 3 generations had arthritis.

aabhay 3y ago
But don’t you think that’s the first thing that 3M’s counsel looked at to try and prove their innocence? Take the veteran incidence of hearing less divided by the population level incidence of hearing loss and see if that ratio went up after the introduction of 3M earbuds? And if there’s a significant change there then it’s likely that the earbuds were defective by design or there were manufacturing issues. At that point everyone who was exposed to that phenomenon DOES deserve the payout, as there’s a plausible risk that the earbuds worsened it.
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- Workaccount2 3y ago
  Of course they run statistical analysis, but you cannot apply those methods to a case by case evaluation. The stats just let 3M know how hard they are gonna get screwed, and it's not like they are totally innocent anyway. >At that point everyone who was exposed to that phenomenon DOES deserve the payout That's the crux right there. The only evidence of being exposed in many of the cases is simply the person's word.
autoexec 3y ago
I suspect there'll also be a ton of people who suffer from hearing damage because 3M hid the truth about their faulty product but who never join a class action, and that for many (if not most) who do try to get compensation whatever "payout" they get will be nothing compared to what they've lost. Hearing loss is probably something most of us will deal with at some point, and I've spoken to a lot of people who are already dealing with it and every one of them wishes they'd had more time with good hearing. It changes their daily lives and limits their ability to experience and interact with the world around them.