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It’s typical of people who don’t live in SF to completely downplay the situation there as “propaganda” because it puts their favorite tribe under scrutiny. Sto

It’s typical of people who don’t live in SF to completely downplay the situation there as “propaganda” because it puts their favorite tribe under scrutiny. Stores can be shut down in one place for a specific reason while another place for a completely different reason. Nordstrom is located in probably the most expensive real estate in San Francisco, while the conditions just outside the stores are deteriorating. If this was just broader systemic problems, why is their massive store in San Jose still continuing? Clearly that should also be closing considering the fact that San Jose is also as expensive as San Francisco in terms of real estate?

duskwuff 3y ago
> San Jose is also as expensive as San Francisco in terms of real estate? Maybe for residential real estate. I have a hard time imagining that it's anywhere close to the same in the commercial sector; there's dramatically more supply in SJ.
- darth_avocado 3y ago
  SF Average retail rent /sqft: $38.20 https://www.crexi.com/insights/the-san-francisco-commercial-real-estate-market https://www.crexi.com/insights/the-san-francisco-commercial-... San Jose Average retail rent /sqft: $39.60 https://www.crexi.com/insights/the-san-jose-commercial-real-estate-market https://www.crexi.com/insights/the-san-jose-commercial-real-...
  - duskwuff 3y ago
    The Crexi market overview for San Jose appears to extend far beyond San Jose and well into the Peninsula: > Major San Jose/Santa Clara County employers include Google, Apple, Facebook, the County of Santa Clara, and Stanford University. Mountain View and Palo Alto are both seeing a lot of demand for office space from Google and Facebook, respectively, and I suspect that's driving up the average. San Jose itself isn't seeing so much of that.
ribosometronome 3y ago
>It’s typical of people who don’t live in SF to completely downplay the situation there as “propaganda” because it puts their favorite tribe under scrutiny. This feels pretty unnecessarily pointed while simultaneously kind of at odds with the point you're arguing in the next paragraph. It's not like San Jose isn't also a strong dem city. Shouldn't the apparent success you're pointing out in SJ while they struggle in SF indicate that the issue is specific to SF rather than a "tribal" concern?
- darth_avocado 3y ago
  Right, the point I was trying to make is that success or failures happen regardless of who’s in power. But they don’t get discussed as such. Criticism of SF often pulls plenty of people to defend or even dismiss the actual reality because for some, accepting reality also means accepting flaws in their beliefs.
TheNewsIsHere 3y ago
Every time I see an article like this, I look for SF-native comments. One of my clients is administratively based in SF, but is never there. They moved to LA awhile back, and they directly cite crime, homelessness, general urban decay, and the “ridiculousness of tech bros” [0] as the deciding factor in their physical relocation. [0] a paraphrased quote.

duskwuff 3y ago

> San Jose is also as expensive as San Francisco in terms of real estate? Maybe for residential real estate. I have a hard time imagining that it's anywhere close to the same in the commercial sector; there's dramatically more supply in SJ.

darth_avocado 3y ago
SF Average retail rent /sqft: $38.20 https://www.crexi.com/insights/the-san-francisco-commercial-real-estate-market https://www.crexi.com/insights/the-san-francisco-commercial-... San Jose Average retail rent /sqft: $39.60 https://www.crexi.com/insights/the-san-jose-commercial-real-estate-market https://www.crexi.com/insights/the-san-jose-commercial-real-...
- duskwuff 3y ago
  The Crexi market overview for San Jose appears to extend far beyond San Jose and well into the Peninsula: > Major San Jose/Santa Clara County employers include Google, Apple, Facebook, the County of Santa Clara, and Stanford University. Mountain View and Palo Alto are both seeing a lot of demand for office space from Google and Facebook, respectively, and I suspect that's driving up the average. San Jose itself isn't seeing so much of that.

ribosometronome 3y ago

>It’s typical of people who don’t live in SF to completely downplay the situation there as “propaganda” because it puts their favorite tribe under scrutiny. This feels pretty unnecessarily pointed while simultaneously kind of at odds with the point you're arguing in the next paragraph. It's not like San Jose isn't also a strong dem city. Shouldn't the apparent success you're pointing out in SJ while they struggle in SF indicate that the issue is specific to SF rather than a "tribal" concern?

darth_avocado 3y ago
Right, the point I was trying to make is that success or failures happen regardless of who’s in power. But they don’t get discussed as such. Criticism of SF often pulls plenty of people to defend or even dismiss the actual reality because for some, accepting reality also means accepting flaws in their beliefs.

TheNewsIsHere 3y ago

Every time I see an article like this, I look for SF-native comments. One of my clients is administratively based in SF, but is never there. They moved to LA awhile back, and they directly cite crime, homelessness, general urban decay, and the “ridiculousness of tech bros” [0] as the deciding factor in their physical relocation. [0] a paraphrased quote.