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Easier than prosecuting car thieves or getting their DAs to actually do their jobs

by tomohawk 3y ago

lockhouse 3y ago
Honest question, what is the purpose of being so soft on crime for these DAs? I really don’t understand it.
- kn0where 3y ago
  Jail is expensive and cities are cash strapped.
  - lockhouse 3y ago
    Isn’t it still a net loss of revenue if everyone moves out of your city and refuses to visit because of your soft on crime reputation?
    - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
      It sounds like that could be Someone Else's Problem from the perspective of a District Attorney. It plausibly looks good to somebody that the DA is minimizing prison costs regardless of second-order effects of policies which minimize prison costs.
    - runnerup 3y ago
      DA has a bully pulpit they could use to petition for building more jail space, but no direct control of that. Also it takes years to build more jail space. Prisons/jails are incredibly expensive to build and operate.
- mr_coleman 3y ago
  It's the unintended consequences of good intentions. The belief is that the criminal justice system has been historically racist against certain minority groups. Once you've been to prison, it becomes dramatically harder to get a job and rent. So by being soft on crime they are righting a "wrong". Noble intentions but it ultimate creates injustice for victims of the crime. It also promotes petty and organized crime. It also creates a cycle. Soft on crime cause a crime wave caused by social justice DAs. Voters get pissed and then only vote for Tough on Crime candidates. Tough on Crime candidates crack down on crime creating a sense of injustice. The sense of injustice pisses off Voters and they vote for Social Justice candidates who are soft on crime and the cycle repeats.
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galleywest200 3y ago
> Since the beginning of the year, Seattle, Baltimore, Cleveland, New York, Chicago, St. Louis, and Columbus have all sued Kia and Hyundai, which are owned by the same parent company, for selling cars without engine immobilizers, a technology that has served as a major contributor to the plummeting rate of stolen vehicles in the U.S. As the rest of the industry adopted immobilizers, Kia and Hyundai didn’t, with only 26 percent of their cars including them in 2015, compared to 96 percent for other manufacturers. Kia and Hyundai are not doing their due diligence and being both incredibly lazy and incredibly cheap here. They should be strong-armed into catching up with the rest of the industry.
- housemusicfan 3y ago
  > Kia and Hyundai are not doing their due diligence and being both incredibly lazy and incredibly cheap here And if they had, people would be on here complaining about evil corporate greed because it costs $300 to duplicate and program a transponder key.
  - marcus0x62 3y ago
    Why not both? I’ve programmed a transponder key the dealer wanted 400+ dollars to program. The key fob (an OE part) cost $40 online from another dealer — I’m assuming they sold me the key fob at a profit and not out of charity. The programming procedure using a scan tool took 5 minutes.
  - aidenn0 3y ago
    > And if they had, people would be on here complaining about evil corporate greed because it costs $300 to duplicate and program a transponder key. Has this changed? It cost zero dollars to program a transponder key last time I did (20ish years ago), since the instructions for doing so were in the car manual. It was some weird dance where you need two already-programmed keys and turn them in the ignition to specific positions in a specific order.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      The problem is you are usually wanting to program a key when you’ve already lost one.
pixl97 3y ago
Um, yea, this is just factual. There is exactly 1 Kia and 1 Hyundai to go after. Meanwhile there are a near unlimited number of potential car thieves. Throwing one in jail does just about nothing for the next person in line willing to steal the car.

Easier than prosecuting car thieves or getting their DAs to actually do their jobs

lockhouse 3y ago

Honest question, what is the purpose of being so soft on crime for these DAs? I really don’t understand it.

kn0where 3y ago
Jail is expensive and cities are cash strapped.
- lockhouse 3y ago
  Isn’t it still a net loss of revenue if everyone moves out of your city and refuses to visit because of your soft on crime reputation?
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
    It sounds like that could be Someone Else's Problem from the perspective of a District Attorney. It plausibly looks good to somebody that the DA is minimizing prison costs regardless of second-order effects of policies which minimize prison costs.
  - runnerup 3y ago
    DA has a bully pulpit they could use to petition for building more jail space, but no direct control of that. Also it takes years to build more jail space. Prisons/jails are incredibly expensive to build and operate.
mr_coleman 3y ago
It's the unintended consequences of good intentions. The belief is that the criminal justice system has been historically racist against certain minority groups. Once you've been to prison, it becomes dramatically harder to get a job and rent. So by being soft on crime they are righting a "wrong". Noble intentions but it ultimate creates injustice for victims of the crime. It also promotes petty and organized crime. It also creates a cycle. Soft on crime cause a crime wave caused by social justice DAs. Voters get pissed and then only vote for Tough on Crime candidates. Tough on Crime candidates crack down on crime creating a sense of injustice. The sense of injustice pisses off Voters and they vote for Social Justice candidates who are soft on crime and the cycle repeats.
- deleted 3y ago
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galleywest200 3y ago

> Since the beginning of the year, Seattle, Baltimore, Cleveland, New York, Chicago, St. Louis, and Columbus have all sued Kia and Hyundai, which are owned by the same parent company, for selling cars without engine immobilizers, a technology that has served as a major contributor to the plummeting rate of stolen vehicles in the U.S. As the rest of the industry adopted immobilizers, Kia and Hyundai didn’t, with only 26 percent of their cars including them in 2015, compared to 96 percent for other manufacturers. Kia and Hyundai are not doing their due diligence and being both incredibly lazy and incredibly cheap here. They should be strong-armed into catching up with the rest of the industry.

housemusicfan 3y ago
> Kia and Hyundai are not doing their due diligence and being both incredibly lazy and incredibly cheap here And if they had, people would be on here complaining about evil corporate greed because it costs $300 to duplicate and program a transponder key.
- marcus0x62 3y ago
  Why not both? I’ve programmed a transponder key the dealer wanted 400+ dollars to program. The key fob (an OE part) cost $40 online from another dealer — I’m assuming they sold me the key fob at a profit and not out of charity. The programming procedure using a scan tool took 5 minutes.
- aidenn0 3y ago
  > And if they had, people would be on here complaining about evil corporate greed because it costs $300 to duplicate and program a transponder key. Has this changed? It cost zero dollars to program a transponder key last time I did (20ish years ago), since the instructions for doing so were in the car manual. It was some weird dance where you need two already-programmed keys and turn them in the ignition to specific positions in a specific order.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    The problem is you are usually wanting to program a key when you’ve already lost one.

pixl97 3y ago

Um, yea, this is just factual. There is exactly 1 Kia and 1 Hyundai to go after. Meanwhile there are a near unlimited number of potential car thieves. Throwing one in jail does just about nothing for the next person in line willing to steal the car.