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It won’t let you drive without both hands on the wheel.

Veserv 3y ago
1. False. https://youtu.be/Pb8b08TR760?si=1vmQAVCFxf6UuBSg https://youtu.be/Pb8b08TR760?si=1vmQAVCFxf6UuBSg 2. Elon mode. https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/20/23767041/tesla-hacker-elon-mode-hands-free-full-self-driving-autopilot https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/20/23767041/tesla-hacker-elo... 3. https://twitter.com/RealDanODowd/status/1687106791715573761 https://twitter.com/RealDanODowd/status/1687106791715573761 4. The video clearly shows no hands are on the wheel at various points when Elon lowers the camera in his hands or when making 90 degree turns so the side of the yoke is pointed up and visible with no hand on it. The video is literally direct video evidence that your claim is untrue and you have no idea what you are talking about.
- saberience 3y ago
  Wait, these videos don't prove shit. In the "RealDanODowd" videos he has fitted an aftermarket accessory to the steering wheel to fake having someone touching and the other video "Elon Mode" had someone literally hack the car. Having Elon himself make a publicity video isn't a reflection on how all the cars work. Anyway, Ford lets you use their system without hands on the wheel, as do the majority of other manufacturers. People just want to hate on Elon because of the "anti woke" crap but there's nothing demonstrably different to any other auto maker. Way back in 2019 I rode in a Honda Civic that had lane keeping functionality (auto steering and braking) which let you take your hands of the wheel for short periods of time. I imagine the tech was about 1000 times less sophisticated, and in fact, I remember it leaving the lane and needing correcting often, where were the scary and inflammatory articles then? Let's get real, there's one rule for any news about Tesla, and another rule for other car makers.
  - Veserv 3y ago
    What are you talking about? I said that Elon does not have his hands on the wheel. You then retorted saying that it will not let you drive without both hands on the wheel, implying that what I said is impossible. I then provided 3 independent techniques available to Elon Musk that would allow him to drive without his hands on the wheel and pointed at direct video evidence proving your baseless assertion and implication are false. As to your second point, Ford’s system is explicitly designed, advertised, and declared to be safe to operate hands free with attention being determined through a camera driver monitoring system (DMS). Tesla explicitly declares in the legal fine print that their system should only be used by a attentive driver with their hands on the wheel. If you think it is unfair to hold Tesla to their own standards for what is safe usage then take that up with Tesla. If they just take liability for hands-free operation like Ford then Tesla can remove that requirement and there would be nothing to complain about if Tesla shows hands-free operation because that would be a legally supported mode. Until they do so they are absolutely guilty of demonstrating unsafe and unsupported operation in official, sanctioned, advertising.
predictabl3 3y ago
This is why I'm just so disenfranchised with this site anymore. Just another echo chamber of people repeating whatever they think or want to be true to align with their cults of personality. I don't ride a Telsa or an Elon and I know that's not true. SMH.

1. False. https://youtu.be/Pb8b08TR760?si=1vmQAVCFxf6UuBSg https://youtu.be/Pb8b08TR760?si=1vmQAVCFxf6UuBSg 2. Elon mode. https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/20/23767041/tesla-hacker-elon-mode-hands-free-full-self-driving-autopilot https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/20/23767041/tesla-hacker-elo... 3. https://twitter.com/RealDanODowd/status/1687106791715573761 https://twitter.com/RealDanODowd/status/1687106791715573761 4. The video clearly shows no hands are on the wheel at various points when Elon lowers the camera in his hands or when making 90 degree turns so the side of the yoke is pointed up and visible with no hand on it. The video is literally direct video evidence that your claim is untrue and you have no idea what you are talking about.

saberience 3y ago
Wait, these videos don't prove shit. In the "RealDanODowd" videos he has fitted an aftermarket accessory to the steering wheel to fake having someone touching and the other video "Elon Mode" had someone literally hack the car. Having Elon himself make a publicity video isn't a reflection on how all the cars work. Anyway, Ford lets you use their system without hands on the wheel, as do the majority of other manufacturers. People just want to hate on Elon because of the "anti woke" crap but there's nothing demonstrably different to any other auto maker. Way back in 2019 I rode in a Honda Civic that had lane keeping functionality (auto steering and braking) which let you take your hands of the wheel for short periods of time. I imagine the tech was about 1000 times less sophisticated, and in fact, I remember it leaving the lane and needing correcting often, where were the scary and inflammatory articles then? Let's get real, there's one rule for any news about Tesla, and another rule for other car makers.
- Veserv 3y ago
  What are you talking about? I said that Elon does not have his hands on the wheel. You then retorted saying that it will not let you drive without both hands on the wheel, implying that what I said is impossible. I then provided 3 independent techniques available to Elon Musk that would allow him to drive without his hands on the wheel and pointed at direct video evidence proving your baseless assertion and implication are false. As to your second point, Ford’s system is explicitly designed, advertised, and declared to be safe to operate hands free with attention being determined through a camera driver monitoring system (DMS). Tesla explicitly declares in the legal fine print that their system should only be used by a attentive driver with their hands on the wheel. If you think it is unfair to hold Tesla to their own standards for what is safe usage then take that up with Tesla. If they just take liability for hands-free operation like Ford then Tesla can remove that requirement and there would be nothing to complain about if Tesla shows hands-free operation because that would be a legally supported mode. Until they do so they are absolutely guilty of demonstrating unsafe and unsupported operation in official, sanctioned, advertising.

predictabl3 3y ago

This is why I'm just so disenfranchised with this site anymore. Just another echo chamber of people repeating whatever they think or want to be true to align with their cults of personality. I don't ride a Telsa or an Elon and I know that's not true. SMH.