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No, it is not. See WPATH SOC v8, which mentions in many places that dysphoria "may or may not be present". https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/26895269

by ryan-c 3y ago

No, it is not. See WPATH SOC v8, which mentions in many places that dysphoria "may or may not be present". https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/26895269.2022.2100644 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/26895269.2022.21... It talks a lot about "gender incongruence".

loeg 3y ago
The distinction being dysphoria includes distress, while incongruence does not? This seems like an arguable difference in scope of whether "trans" includes people who aren't distressed about gender incongruence.
- ryan-c 3y ago
  The current consensus amongst medical professionals is that gender dysphoria is not requisite for being trans. This was not the case in the fairly recent past. There is also "gender euphoria" which may be experienced by people who do not/did not experience dysphoria. I'm not sure whether from a clinical standpoint distress about incongruance is the same as dysphoria. There are a lot of people who would have failed to meet previous diagnostic criteria but nonetheless are happy to have received gender affirming medical care. I think the best we can do is provide people with bodily autonomy on an informed consent basis.
- zo1 3y ago
  Layman here. They're just doing this to distance trans from gender dysphoria, making it a "legitimate" thing as opposed to a "condition" like gender dysphoria, because the latter implies treatment. Side note. Why does Android keep auto-correcting dysphoria as dysphagia. Wtf is dysphagia anyways?
  - ryan-c 3y ago
    "layman"? You called being trans a "social contagion" in another comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37291089 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37291089
    - begett 3y ago
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      - hnbad 3y ago
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    - zo1 3y ago
      Not sure what me saying that in the other thread has to do with me posting here with a "layman" hot take? And for anyone reading this, I really have no issue with trans people. Pretty much everyone starts with a clean slate with me in my book.
      - labster 3y ago
        Don’t even bother replying to new 1-karma accounts on hot button issues. Your sanity will appreciate it.
        ryan-c 3y ago
        Did you reply to the wrong comment by mistake? None of the accounts in this thread (except one that got flagged to death) are new, and my account is the oldest one in this reply chain.

by ryan-c 3y ago

loeg 3y ago

The distinction being dysphoria includes distress, while incongruence does not? This seems like an arguable difference in scope of whether "trans" includes people who aren't distressed about gender incongruence.

ryan-c 3y ago
The current consensus amongst medical professionals is that gender dysphoria is not requisite for being trans. This was not the case in the fairly recent past. There is also "gender euphoria" which may be experienced by people who do not/did not experience dysphoria. I'm not sure whether from a clinical standpoint distress about incongruance is the same as dysphoria. There are a lot of people who would have failed to meet previous diagnostic criteria but nonetheless are happy to have received gender affirming medical care. I think the best we can do is provide people with bodily autonomy on an informed consent basis.
zo1 3y ago
Layman here. They're just doing this to distance trans from gender dysphoria, making it a "legitimate" thing as opposed to a "condition" like gender dysphoria, because the latter implies treatment. Side note. Why does Android keep auto-correcting dysphoria as dysphagia. Wtf is dysphagia anyways?
- ryan-c 3y ago
  "layman"? You called being trans a "social contagion" in another comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37291089 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37291089
  - begett 3y ago
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    - hnbad 3y ago
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  - zo1 3y ago
    Not sure what me saying that in the other thread has to do with me posting here with a "layman" hot take? And for anyone reading this, I really have no issue with trans people. Pretty much everyone starts with a clean slate with me in my book.
    - labster 3y ago
      Don’t even bother replying to new 1-karma accounts on hot button issues. Your sanity will appreciate it.
      - ryan-c 3y ago
        Did you reply to the wrong comment by mistake? None of the accounts in this thread (except one that got flagged to death) are new, and my account is the oldest one in this reply chain.