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I personally can only ever work out in the morning, anything later keeps me awake, like you describe. Iron based Reactive Oxygen Species (FeROS) generates the

I personally can only ever work out in the morning, anything later keeps me awake, like you describe. Iron based Reactive Oxygen Species (FeROS) generates the most amount of heat in the body. Beta Alanine helps creates Super Oxide Dismutase (SOD) typically couple with a metal like Cu, Zn, Mn, Ni, Fe. Iron and Manganese share many pathways, and its thought MnSOD minimises the effect of FeROS. Leucine in gram amounts can stimulate alot of protein synthesis which means you could just hang out in shorts and t-shirt during the middle of winter and not feel the cold. You know your diet, so I would look there first, perhaps cut back on calories and workout first thing in the morning. JMO

dottjt 3y ago
Thank you, this is very helpful. I wouldn't say it keeps me awake. Like I say, it's just the body heat that's the issue, once I do fall asleep, I stay asleep. And later in the night, my body isn't hot, either. My issue with working out in the morning is that I feel exhausted and I'm unable to really be focused for the rest of the day. Another issue I have, which I don't know is common or is actually a problem, is that after around 12pm I kind of crash mentally and from an energy perspective. In terms of supplements, are you suggesting that I play around with Beta Alanine and Leucine? I do already have Beta Alanine on hand and would usually take it pre-workout, but haven't in a while.
- darkclouds 3y ago
  So I've been messing with beta alanine (BA) and it causes a mild form of pruritus' no where near as extreme as nicotinic acid on an empty stomach. I've been messing with manganese chloride recently and this dampens down the pruritus experience. But up until this morning I was under the impression from some studies that BA increases SOD. Today however I found some studies which claim it increases something called TAC and glutathione and not SOD. So back to looking into SOD in more detail and this seems to be a metalloenzyme, which seem to start with zinc and one of 4 amino acids, cysteine, histidine, aspartic acid and glutamic acid. This is the problem with studies from different parts of the world, they make assertions which might be inaccurate because of when the scientist(s) was/were taught, and what that country/uni was teaching at the time or last "updated". There are so many theories in biology, its hard to know what to believe, and thats before I get into the false assertations made using links to other studies, where I've actually clicked the link to check the assertation and the study has made no such assertion, if not the opposite! Maybe if you could identify the cause of the crash that might give you a clue. I've always found turning the AC on to chill the room would wake me up, thats the adrenaline kicking in from the cold. Its difficult to say for some things like this. Maybe start with a zinc supplement and see what cravings arise from there. Stepping up the zinc after a week 5 or 10mg and go from there. If you get no cravings, try supplementing with cysteine, histidine or aspartic acid and see what happens. Thats all I do, and then see what studies exist to support my experiences.

dottjt 3y ago

Thank you, this is very helpful. I wouldn't say it keeps me awake. Like I say, it's just the body heat that's the issue, once I do fall asleep, I stay asleep. And later in the night, my body isn't hot, either. My issue with working out in the morning is that I feel exhausted and I'm unable to really be focused for the rest of the day. Another issue I have, which I don't know is common or is actually a problem, is that after around 12pm I kind of crash mentally and from an energy perspective. In terms of supplements, are you suggesting that I play around with Beta Alanine and Leucine? I do already have Beta Alanine on hand and would usually take it pre-workout, but haven't in a while.

darkclouds 3y ago
So I've been messing with beta alanine (BA) and it causes a mild form of pruritus' no where near as extreme as nicotinic acid on an empty stomach. I've been messing with manganese chloride recently and this dampens down the pruritus experience. But up until this morning I was under the impression from some studies that BA increases SOD. Today however I found some studies which claim it increases something called TAC and glutathione and not SOD. So back to looking into SOD in more detail and this seems to be a metalloenzyme, which seem to start with zinc and one of 4 amino acids, cysteine, histidine, aspartic acid and glutamic acid. This is the problem with studies from different parts of the world, they make assertions which might be inaccurate because of when the scientist(s) was/were taught, and what that country/uni was teaching at the time or last "updated". There are so many theories in biology, its hard to know what to believe, and thats before I get into the false assertations made using links to other studies, where I've actually clicked the link to check the assertation and the study has made no such assertion, if not the opposite! Maybe if you could identify the cause of the crash that might give you a clue. I've always found turning the AC on to chill the room would wake me up, thats the adrenaline kicking in from the cold. Its difficult to say for some things like this. Maybe start with a zinc supplement and see what cravings arise from there. Stepping up the zinc after a week 5 or 10mg and go from there. If you get no cravings, try supplementing with cysteine, histidine or aspartic acid and see what happens. Thats all I do, and then see what studies exist to support my experiences.