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> The only difference to the population that I see is that vaccines for COVID have less efficacy than those for influenza. So far COVID vaccines seem to confer

by fer 3y ago

> The only difference to the population that I see is that vaccines for COVID have less efficacy than those for influenza. So far COVID vaccines seem to confer protection for longer than flu ones, and the initial protection is generally higher. Not sure if it's your case, but people often forget that every year there's a new flu shot per hemisphere, and its effectiveness generally hovers at around 40-60%.

lockhouse 3y ago
The difference is that flu vaccines actually prevent infection in many cases, whereas COVID vaccines do not prevent them, but merely lessen the symptoms and risk of hospitalization.
- fer 3y ago
  > The difference is that flu vaccines actually prevent infection in many cases OK > whereas COVID vaccines do not prevent them, but merely lessen the symptoms and risk of hospitalization. Is this something I can read on a peer reviewed study, or is it yet another creative definition of what "infection", "vaccine" or "symptom" really means?
  - lockhouse 3y ago
    Here you go… https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02138-x https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02138-x
    - fer 3y ago
      Are you aware that this study doesn't really support any of what you said?
      - lockhouse 3y ago
        > Irrespective of vaccination and/or prior natural infection, SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infections and reinfections remained highly infectious and were responsible for 80% of transmission observed in the study population, which has high levels of both prior infection and vaccination. This observation underscores that vaccination and prevalent naturally acquired immunity alone will not eliminate risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection, especially in higher-risk settings, such as prisons.
        fer 3y ago
        I'm not sure if this is just trolling, but it feels like you're comparing percentages of unrelated metrics.
- CurrentBias 3y ago
  It's much the same with flu vaccines actually: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm

by fer 3y ago

lockhouse 3y ago

The difference is that flu vaccines actually prevent infection in many cases, whereas COVID vaccines do not prevent them, but merely lessen the symptoms and risk of hospitalization.

fer 3y ago
> The difference is that flu vaccines actually prevent infection in many cases OK > whereas COVID vaccines do not prevent them, but merely lessen the symptoms and risk of hospitalization. Is this something I can read on a peer reviewed study, or is it yet another creative definition of what "infection", "vaccine" or "symptom" really means?
- lockhouse 3y ago
  Here you go… https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02138-x https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02138-x
  - fer 3y ago
    Are you aware that this study doesn't really support any of what you said?
    - lockhouse 3y ago
      > Irrespective of vaccination and/or prior natural infection, SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infections and reinfections remained highly infectious and were responsible for 80% of transmission observed in the study population, which has high levels of both prior infection and vaccination. This observation underscores that vaccination and prevalent naturally acquired immunity alone will not eliminate risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection, especially in higher-risk settings, such as prisons.
      - fer 3y ago
        I'm not sure if this is just trolling, but it feels like you're comparing percentages of unrelated metrics.
CurrentBias 3y ago
It's much the same with flu vaccines actually: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm