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So basically getting a second opinion from another doctor is somehow fraudulent behavior? If you have a problem with this, shouldn't it be with the quack doctor

So basically getting a second opinion from another doctor is somehow fraudulent behavior? If you have a problem with this, shouldn't it be with the quack doctors making the diagnoses and not the patients? I was diagnosed with ADHD because I (truthfully) told a doctor I had the symptoms of ADHD. Now I have a prescription for adderall. Did I commit fraud?

leetcrew 3y ago
getting a second opinion is not fraud. but by the time you're getting the tenth opinion just because the first nine docs didn't give you written justification to draw on public funds, that looks pretty fraudulent. or put a different way, GP is describing people explicitly admitting that they went to as many doctors as it took to get specific language in a note. they admitted that they didn't care at all about any therapeutic outcomes from all those visits. assuming this isn't a tall tale, does that sound like a good faith use of the system to you?
- TechBro8615 3y ago
  I understand the (rather obvious) basis for this argument, but at what point does the responsibility shift to the doctor? If you don't have a health condition, and you ask ten doctors to diagnose you with one, then isn't the real issue with the tenth doctor who diagnoses you with one, rather than with yourself - the patient - who genuinely believes (given the benefit of the doubt) that you're suffering from symptoms of some condition the other nine doctors wouldn't diagnose you with? I mean, is it really the responsibility of the patient to moderate the quackiness of doctors that are willing to prescribe whatever medication for whatever illness the patient might have? What's the point of doctors if we can't trust them to gatekeep the drugs (and VA benefits) we put them in charge of disbursing? I think the reflex to blame patients for this situation is revelatory of the real issue, which is that the entire discipline of mental health is disconnected from any physical reality or real basis upon which a "proper" diagnosis can be based.

leetcrew 3y ago

getting a second opinion is not fraud. but by the time you're getting the tenth opinion just because the first nine docs didn't give you written justification to draw on public funds, that looks pretty fraudulent. or put a different way, GP is describing people explicitly admitting that they went to as many doctors as it took to get specific language in a note. they admitted that they didn't care at all about any therapeutic outcomes from all those visits. assuming this isn't a tall tale, does that sound like a good faith use of the system to you?

TechBro8615 3y ago
I understand the (rather obvious) basis for this argument, but at what point does the responsibility shift to the doctor? If you don't have a health condition, and you ask ten doctors to diagnose you with one, then isn't the real issue with the tenth doctor who diagnoses you with one, rather than with yourself - the patient - who genuinely believes (given the benefit of the doubt) that you're suffering from symptoms of some condition the other nine doctors wouldn't diagnose you with? I mean, is it really the responsibility of the patient to moderate the quackiness of doctors that are willing to prescribe whatever medication for whatever illness the patient might have? What's the point of doctors if we can't trust them to gatekeep the drugs (and VA benefits) we put them in charge of disbursing? I think the reflex to blame patients for this situation is revelatory of the real issue, which is that the entire discipline of mental health is disconnected from any physical reality or real basis upon which a "proper" diagnosis can be based.