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Here's what the options screen would have looked like around the time: https://i.imgur.com/v9YzIlf.png https://i.imgur.com/v9YzIlf.png The FSD computer require

by Ukv 3y ago

Here's what the options screen would have looked like around the time: https://i.imgur.com/v9YzIlf.png https://i.imgur.com/v9YzIlf.png The FSD computer required for the latter ("HW3") is a real physical part: https://i.imgur.com/WSWzOGQ.png https://i.imgur.com/WSWzOGQ.png

stetrain 3y ago
Yes, but which option you check doesn't change which hardware you car comes with. The HW3 situation was Tesla updating the hardware for people who both bought an older car and paid for the FSD "preorder" package, since they later determined that the computer shipped in those older cars was not enough for upcoming functionality, despite saying in 2016 that all of their cars had the hardware necessary for Level 5 Self-Driving. https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... > Tesla CEO Elon Musk says the new hardware will support Level 5 autonomy, which means the cars can drive themselves completely. However, Tesla will not enable full self-driving immediately. Instead, Musk says the company will roll out features to enhance safety and assist drivers, eventually leading to full autonomy. https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/elon-musk-says-all-tesla-models-will-have-self-driving-hardware/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/elon-musk-says-all-tesla-... So they've been selling a product called "Full Self Driving" since 2016, and also claiming along the way that the current hardware in the car is capable of "Full Self Driving" in the future, pending safety testing and regulatory approval. They also have a marketing video that says "The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. The car is driving itself" that has also been up since 2016: https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot
- Ukv 3y ago
  > The HW3 situation was Tesla updating the hardware for people who both bought an older car and paid for the FSD "preorder" package Also people who had initially opted for just enhanced autopilot on HW2.5 then later decided to upgrade to FSD. > So they've been selling a product called "Full Self Driving" since 2016 They've been selling hardware capability (hence the HW3 upgrade for those who bought it) for when FSD eventually releases. To me it seems reasonably labelled that it's future functionality and not yet FSD. Either way, FSD had not released at the time and as far as I can tell the allegations target regular autopilot, not about being mislead into preordering FSD capability.

by Ukv 3y ago

stetrain 3y ago

Yes, but which option you check doesn't change which hardware you car comes with. The HW3 situation was Tesla updating the hardware for people who both bought an older car and paid for the FSD "preorder" package, since they later determined that the computer shipped in those older cars was not enough for upcoming functionality, despite saying in 2016 that all of their cars had the hardware necessary for Level 5 Self-Driving. https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... > Tesla CEO Elon Musk says the new hardware will support Level 5 autonomy, which means the cars can drive themselves completely. However, Tesla will not enable full self-driving immediately. Instead, Musk says the company will roll out features to enhance safety and assist drivers, eventually leading to full autonomy. https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/elon-musk-says-all-tesla-models-will-have-self-driving-hardware/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/elon-musk-says-all-tesla-... So they've been selling a product called "Full Self Driving" since 2016, and also claiming along the way that the current hardware in the car is capable of "Full Self Driving" in the future, pending safety testing and regulatory approval. They also have a marketing video that says "The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. The car is driving itself" that has also been up since 2016: https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot

Ukv 3y ago
> The HW3 situation was Tesla updating the hardware for people who both bought an older car and paid for the FSD "preorder" package Also people who had initially opted for just enhanced autopilot on HW2.5 then later decided to upgrade to FSD. > So they've been selling a product called "Full Self Driving" since 2016 They've been selling hardware capability (hence the HW3 upgrade for those who bought it) for when FSD eventually releases. To me it seems reasonably labelled that it's future functionality and not yet FSD. Either way, FSD had not released at the time and as far as I can tell the allegations target regular autopilot, not about being mislead into preordering FSD capability.