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Yes and you're not allowed to do your own electrical work unless you get a temporary license and pass inspection so I'm not really sure if this is the best argu

by Spivak 3y ago

Yes and you're not allowed to do your own electrical work unless you get a temporary license and pass inspection so I'm not really sure if this is the best argument. Also at least in my state there are no 3rd party gas lines for this reason, the only people allowed to install or do maintenance on them is the gas company that is defacto state controlled. I don't think there's anything in my house that is as dangerous as a large lithium battery and that's before counting that hoverboards and ebikes that do nothing but put stress on them unlike say a laptop that just sits on a desk.

kelnos 3y ago
> you're not allowed to do your own electrical work unless you get a temporary license and pass inspection That's heavily dependent on jurisdiction. In many places you can do your own electrical work without any kind of license (you can pull a permit by simply acknowledging that you are responsible for the work), and the inspection does not adequately cover all the safety issues that could arise. For minor -- but still potentially dangerous -- things like replacing an outlet or light switch (or, hell, even a mains-connected light fixture), you don't need to do any of that. > I don't think there's anything in my house that is as dangerous as a large lithium battery For some reason we accept that many of us have, either in our basement or in a closet, one or more devices that continuously set a fossil fuel on fire in order to heat our homes, heat water, or dry clothing. Many of us even have a device that exposes that fire to the open air in order to cook food. Those devices do have some impressive safety features (well, except for the gas stove, oof), but they also have some pretty impressive failure modes. Not to mention how bad it is for your health to be inhaling the particles a gas stove spews into the air, even with an exhaust fan. I'm not pointing this out in order to claim that lithium-based batteries are safe or are no big deal. But we accept all sorts of risk in our homes already, and batteries don't strike me as meaningfully different.
pessimizer 3y ago
You're not required to negotiate with your electrical company to do your own electrical work, you're required to deal with the state. No one is proposing that unlimited home battery experimentation be added to the constitution. They're proposing that safety legislation shouldn't be outsourced to private industry, which is only concerned with safety to the degree which it affects profits, and is motivated to disguise profitable decisions as safety decisions.
- Spivak 3y ago
  I'm not entirely sure why you think I disagree with this addition, this is how I would like the system to work in the case where manufacturers make products they claim is only safely serviceable by them or some other professional.

by Spivak 3y ago

kelnos 3y ago

> you're not allowed to do your own electrical work unless you get a temporary license and pass inspection That's heavily dependent on jurisdiction. In many places you can do your own electrical work without any kind of license (you can pull a permit by simply acknowledging that you are responsible for the work), and the inspection does not adequately cover all the safety issues that could arise. For minor -- but still potentially dangerous -- things like replacing an outlet or light switch (or, hell, even a mains-connected light fixture), you don't need to do any of that. > I don't think there's anything in my house that is as dangerous as a large lithium battery For some reason we accept that many of us have, either in our basement or in a closet, one or more devices that continuously set a fossil fuel on fire in order to heat our homes, heat water, or dry clothing. Many of us even have a device that exposes that fire to the open air in order to cook food. Those devices do have some impressive safety features (well, except for the gas stove, oof), but they also have some pretty impressive failure modes. Not to mention how bad it is for your health to be inhaling the particles a gas stove spews into the air, even with an exhaust fan. I'm not pointing this out in order to claim that lithium-based batteries are safe or are no big deal. But we accept all sorts of risk in our homes already, and batteries don't strike me as meaningfully different.

pessimizer 3y ago

You're not required to negotiate with your electrical company to do your own electrical work, you're required to deal with the state. No one is proposing that unlimited home battery experimentation be added to the constitution. They're proposing that safety legislation shouldn't be outsourced to private industry, which is only concerned with safety to the degree which it affects profits, and is motivated to disguise profitable decisions as safety decisions.

Spivak 3y ago
I'm not entirely sure why you think I disagree with this addition, this is how I would like the system to work in the case where manufacturers make products they claim is only safely serviceable by them or some other professional.