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> this language has literally no unique attributes that would make it different than D or Go It does, a lot: https://vlang.io/compare#go https://vlang.io/compa

> this language has literally no unique attributes that would make it different than D or Go It does, a lot: https://vlang.io/compare#go https://vlang.io/compare#go

kaba0 3y ago
Let me preface it: go is a thoroughly uninteresting and in my opinion bad language from a PL perspective - it demonstrably failed at many things we have known for 40 years before it. Adding some of that back to V only “fixes” where Go went wrong, so I would need something additional on top to consider this language.
- amedvednikov 3y ago
  Go is a great language, revolutionary, I would say. Just for one thing: focus on simplicity and fast builds.
  - kaba0 3y ago
    If your language is too simplistic, essential complexity will just live in your ad hoc program instead, which is objectively worse. Especially that you will realize it later that you are missing some core utils and have to patch it up (e.g. generics in case of go). There are dynamic languages with zero compile times, but Java builds just as fast for me as Go and it is a much more expressive language than Go, which is a shame.
    - amedvednikov 3y ago
      > If your language is too simplistic, essential complexity will just live in your ad hoc program instead, which is objectively worse. Not from my experience. Go is a breath of fresh air in this over-engineered complex industry. Go promotes simplicity and speed, and so does V.
      - kaba0 3y ago
        Agree to disagree here :) Not every program is a basic CLI app with 3 network requests, and the only tool we have against complexity is abstractions.
        amedvednikov 3y ago
        Most of the stuff we use is written in C. Which is even smaller than Go. You don't need complex langs to write software.
        lifthrasiir 3y ago
        Uh, C is not really small nowadays. ISO C specification is about 200 pages long even without all the library. (It's hard to compare directly, but Go is probably around 50~100 pages long when formatted similarly.) C could have been small enough, but ISO C is not.
        amedvednikov 3y ago
        Most of the stuff we use was written in C89 and even older versions :)
        kaba0 3y ago
        Also, most of what? Besides OSs, tiny tools, DBs and embedded, C is not used all that much. Where truly high performance is required, the de facto language of choice is C++ (see e.g. browsers) and business applications (which are the most numerous) are definitely not written in C in most cases.

> this language has literally no unique attributes that would make it different than D or Go It does, a lot: https://vlang.io/compare#go https://vlang.io/compare#go

kaba0 3y ago

Let me preface it: go is a thoroughly uninteresting and in my opinion bad language from a PL perspective - it demonstrably failed at many things we have known for 40 years before it. Adding some of that back to V only “fixes” where Go went wrong, so I would need something additional on top to consider this language.

amedvednikov 3y ago
Go is a great language, revolutionary, I would say. Just for one thing: focus on simplicity and fast builds.
- kaba0 3y ago
  If your language is too simplistic, essential complexity will just live in your ad hoc program instead, which is objectively worse. Especially that you will realize it later that you are missing some core utils and have to patch it up (e.g. generics in case of go). There are dynamic languages with zero compile times, but Java builds just as fast for me as Go and it is a much more expressive language than Go, which is a shame.
  - amedvednikov 3y ago
    > If your language is too simplistic, essential complexity will just live in your ad hoc program instead, which is objectively worse. Not from my experience. Go is a breath of fresh air in this over-engineered complex industry. Go promotes simplicity and speed, and so does V.
    - kaba0 3y ago
      Agree to disagree here :) Not every program is a basic CLI app with 3 network requests, and the only tool we have against complexity is abstractions.
      - amedvednikov 3y ago
        Most of the stuff we use is written in C. Which is even smaller than Go. You don't need complex langs to write software.
        lifthrasiir 3y ago
        Uh, C is not really small nowadays. ISO C specification is about 200 pages long even without all the library. (It's hard to compare directly, but Go is probably around 50~100 pages long when formatted similarly.) C could have been small enough, but ISO C is not.
        amedvednikov 3y ago
        Most of the stuff we use was written in C89 and even older versions :)
        kaba0 3y ago
        Also, most of what? Besides OSs, tiny tools, DBs and embedded, C is not used all that much. Where truly high performance is required, the de facto language of choice is C++ (see e.g. browsers) and business applications (which are the most numerous) are definitely not written in C in most cases.