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The understanding should happen in school. Homework should be only for things that have already been learned.

by teddyh 3y ago

ghaff 3y ago
If the learning is already complete then any homework seems like utterly unnecessary busywork.
- teddyh 3y ago
  There’s learning, and there’s practice. Both are necessary.
  - ResearchCode 3y ago
    Practice during school hours is more than enough. Primary education is not so demanding that you need more to succeed.
    - teddyh 3y ago
      In which case homework should be wholly unnecessary.
      - ResearchCode 3y ago
        It is, unless you spend too much time in a lecture format with too little deep practice. Taking work home is not a good solution.
liotier 3y ago
It sure would be nice and just if the schools had the means to provide the personalized tutoring most children need to understand. Reality is that the parents do that - and yes, it is an advantage to children with parents able to invest time and skills in their education.
- lubutu 3y ago
  I've heard that some well-off parents will even send their children to schools with attendance fees...
- pluijzer 3y ago
  The thing is, what if your parents aren't educated. Because of lots of reasons, my parents didn't even attend high school, they wouldn't have been able to tutor me after I was 10. I really think tutoring should be done in school else it would be very difficult to rise above your previous generations. Also, children should play after school, not do more work IMHO.
  - blogornot 3y ago
    So, you're suggesting we limit everyone's potential so a few uneducated/poor families don't feel left behind? That's ridiculous. Should schools offer extra tutoring and support for kids and families that need it? Sure. Should people limit what they learn at home or out-of-school? No.
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nsxwolf 3y ago
They're children, not some neural network you can train. They're all going to learn at different rates, and individualized education in a school setting is simply not possible. You're lucky if there's a breakdown by remedial, regular, and advanced classes. Even within those, kids are going to struggle and need some help outside of class time.
- teddyh 3y ago
  Is this “help” meant only to be available to kids with rich parents, as it is now? Or is the school at fault for not being willing, or able, to teach all kids to an acceptable degree?
  - stevofolife 3y ago
    I'm surprised to see that you think there is a clear dichotomy between what can only happen at school and at home when it comes to learning. You'd be even more surprised to learn that learning can happen anywhere, anytime and from anyone in any kind of form. Helping kids at home with school work as a parent is not only accessible to rich families. You should help your kids when they really need it regardless of your socioeconomic background. Now if you're talking about personalized/paid tutors outside of school, then yes - it's much more accessible to richer families but there is fundamentally nothing wrong that. What you decide to do with your kids outside of school is your choice.
    - teddyh 3y ago
      A person’s “socioeconomic background” may dictate that they don’t have time to spend many of their vanishlingly rare non-working hours on being a teacher. I'm surprised to see you assume that everyone has this kind of time. I assure you that they do not.
      - bcrosby95 3y ago
        Not everyone does but it's not something restricted to the rich like you said in your first comment. Growing up, my wife had a lot of help at home and she came from a middle class, dual income household. I came from an upper middle class household and my parents were so busy working so they could keep up with the Joneses that I never had any help whatsoever with my homework. I'm not going to deny that schools can probably do better, but telling people you need to be rich to help your kids with school is, in my experience, not true. I think the bigger problem for many is relationship dynamics - most parents I know lack the patience to help their kids with homework.

The understanding should happen in school. Homework should be only for things that have already been learned.

by teddyh 3y ago

The understanding should happen in school. Homework should be only for things that have already been learned.

ghaff 3y ago

If the learning is already complete then any homework seems like utterly unnecessary busywork.

teddyh 3y ago
There’s learning, and there’s practice. Both are necessary.
- ResearchCode 3y ago
  Practice during school hours is more than enough. Primary education is not so demanding that you need more to succeed.
  - teddyh 3y ago
    In which case homework should be wholly unnecessary.
    - ResearchCode 3y ago
      It is, unless you spend too much time in a lecture format with too little deep practice. Taking work home is not a good solution.

liotier 3y ago

It sure would be nice and just if the schools had the means to provide the personalized tutoring most children need to understand. Reality is that the parents do that - and yes, it is an advantage to children with parents able to invest time and skills in their education.

lubutu 3y ago
I've heard that some well-off parents will even send their children to schools with attendance fees...
pluijzer 3y ago
The thing is, what if your parents aren't educated. Because of lots of reasons, my parents didn't even attend high school, they wouldn't have been able to tutor me after I was 10. I really think tutoring should be done in school else it would be very difficult to rise above your previous generations. Also, children should play after school, not do more work IMHO.
- blogornot 3y ago
  So, you're suggesting we limit everyone's potential so a few uneducated/poor families don't feel left behind? That's ridiculous. Should schools offer extra tutoring and support for kids and families that need it? Sure. Should people limit what they learn at home or out-of-school? No.

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nsxwolf 3y ago

They're children, not some neural network you can train. They're all going to learn at different rates, and individualized education in a school setting is simply not possible. You're lucky if there's a breakdown by remedial, regular, and advanced classes. Even within those, kids are going to struggle and need some help outside of class time.

teddyh 3y ago
Is this “help” meant only to be available to kids with rich parents, as it is now? Or is the school at fault for not being willing, or able, to teach all kids to an acceptable degree?
- stevofolife 3y ago
  I'm surprised to see that you think there is a clear dichotomy between what can only happen at school and at home when it comes to learning. You'd be even more surprised to learn that learning can happen anywhere, anytime and from anyone in any kind of form. Helping kids at home with school work as a parent is not only accessible to rich families. You should help your kids when they really need it regardless of your socioeconomic background. Now if you're talking about personalized/paid tutors outside of school, then yes - it's much more accessible to richer families but there is fundamentally nothing wrong that. What you decide to do with your kids outside of school is your choice.
  - teddyh 3y ago
    A person’s “socioeconomic background” may dictate that they don’t have time to spend many of their vanishlingly rare non-working hours on being a teacher. I'm surprised to see you assume that everyone has this kind of time. I assure you that they do not.
    - bcrosby95 3y ago
      Not everyone does but it's not something restricted to the rich like you said in your first comment. Growing up, my wife had a lot of help at home and she came from a middle class, dual income household. I came from an upper middle class household and my parents were so busy working so they could keep up with the Joneses that I never had any help whatsoever with my homework. I'm not going to deny that schools can probably do better, but telling people you need to be rich to help your kids with school is, in my experience, not true. I think the bigger problem for many is relationship dynamics - most parents I know lack the patience to help their kids with homework.