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If you are not paying for the product, you are paying in other ways, this just puts a number on it. If you consider the implications, you are paying quite a bit

If you are not paying for the product, you are paying in other ways, this just puts a number on it. If you consider the implications, you are paying quite a bit in power in addition to privacy issues. This is why: a) my gps AND network location is turned off 99.99% of the time. b) I have ad-blocking software which prevents lots of this network overhead. ^^ the above is justified because it actually costs me, want to serve me ads? fine, but not when they come at a price.

dsr_ 15y ago
My primary reason to get root on my Android was... well, let's be honest, like every other HN denizen I wanted to explore and control it. But among my other reasons was to be able to run DroidWall, an interface to iptables firewalling.
- aw3c2 15y ago
  Same for me. Adaway and LBE followed later.
- jakeonthemove 15y ago
  Thanks for mentioning DroidWall - I can't believe I didn't stumble onto it myself!
mdwrigh2 15y ago
> the above is justified because it actually costs me, want to serve me ads? fine, but not when they come at a price How do you expect them to serve you ads? They have to get to your phone _somehow_ so there will always be network overhead. This just feels like an attempt to justify using applications while removing their revenue stream based on impossible requirements.
- oasisbob 15y ago
  How do you expect them to serve you ads? They have to get to your phone _somehow_ so there will always be network overhead. The amount of network overhead can vary wildly. If the app is polling the ad network API on startup and at a fixed interval, it can keep the radio awake for longer than it would otherwise, or wake it up and keep it in a high power state for the duration of the CELL_DCH timer. It's not an impossible requirement to queue ads, reduce the frequency of polling, and coalesce the ad network API calls with other app network traffic.
untog 15y ago
If you are not paying for the product, you are paying in other ways I have ad-blocking software Excuse me while I put on my devil's advocate pants... so, you're using the apps without paying, and cheating the developer out of profit?
- bsphil 15y ago
  God yes. Putting ads next to something small and clickable is really irritating. My biggest problem is when there is no paid version of the app without ads. Even after blocking them, I'm still left with a bar of precious, unused screen space.
webwanderings 15y ago
Is there any adblocker which works without rooting the Android?
- donniezazen 15y ago
  Adfree Android. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bigtincan.android.adfree&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5iaWd0aW5jYW4uYW5kcm9pZC5hZGZyZWUiXQ. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bigtincan.....
donniezazen 15y ago
[i]a) my gps AND network location is turned off 99.99% of the time.[/i] My understanding was keeping GPS ON does not amount to any battery loss or power usage. GPS is only active for a few seconds when some app request location.

dsr_ 15y ago

My primary reason to get root on my Android was... well, let's be honest, like every other HN denizen I wanted to explore and control it. But among my other reasons was to be able to run DroidWall, an interface to iptables firewalling.

aw3c2 15y ago
Same for me. Adaway and LBE followed later.
jakeonthemove 15y ago
Thanks for mentioning DroidWall - I can't believe I didn't stumble onto it myself!

mdwrigh2 15y ago

> the above is justified because it actually costs me, want to serve me ads? fine, but not when they come at a price How do you expect them to serve you ads? They have to get to your phone _somehow_ so there will always be network overhead. This just feels like an attempt to justify using applications while removing their revenue stream based on impossible requirements.

oasisbob 15y ago
How do you expect them to serve you ads? They have to get to your phone _somehow_ so there will always be network overhead. The amount of network overhead can vary wildly. If the app is polling the ad network API on startup and at a fixed interval, it can keep the radio awake for longer than it would otherwise, or wake it up and keep it in a high power state for the duration of the CELL_DCH timer. It's not an impossible requirement to queue ads, reduce the frequency of polling, and coalesce the ad network API calls with other app network traffic.

untog 15y ago

If you are not paying for the product, you are paying in other ways I have ad-blocking software Excuse me while I put on my devil's advocate pants... so, you're using the apps without paying, and cheating the developer out of profit?

bsphil 15y ago
God yes. Putting ads next to something small and clickable is really irritating. My biggest problem is when there is no paid version of the app without ads. Even after blocking them, I'm still left with a bar of precious, unused screen space.

webwanderings 15y ago

Is there any adblocker which works without rooting the Android?

donniezazen 15y ago
Adfree Android. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bigtincan.android.adfree&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5iaWd0aW5jYW4uYW5kcm9pZC5hZGZyZWUiXQ. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bigtincan.....

donniezazen 15y ago

[i]a) my gps AND network location is turned off 99.99% of the time.[/i] My understanding was keeping GPS ON does not amount to any battery loss or power usage. GPS is only active for a few seconds when some app request location.