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Something I’m not seeing yet in these comments is a discussion of the other automakers’ implementation of the same features. Nearly every other luxury automake

by dangus 3y ago

Something I’m not seeing yet in these comments is a discussion of the other automakers’ implementation of the same features. Nearly every other luxury automaker has an automatic steering and lane change feature as well. I think that other automakers will be hit with similar lawsuits regardless of what the driver assist system is called, because it will be easy to argue that the driver assistance systems assume some percentage of responsibility while active, and because you don’t have to win a lawsuit to reach a favorable settlement. Tesla may pay out more than other automakers due to its optimistic marketing.

redox99 3y ago
> Something I’m not seeing yet in these comments is a discussion of the other automakers’ implementation of the same features. Because these threads always become Tesla hate instead of an objective analysis. All of these lane centering ADAS (including Autopilot) will kill you if you leave them unattended long enough (usually by taking a tight off-ramp at an unsafe speed). These is very evident to people who actually use these systems. And there's nothing wrong with such behavior, it's an L2 system. Cruise Control will also kill you. These systems have been on the road for a long while and people aren't dying left and right because of it, they are empirically reasonably safe. They're probably a net positive as they likely drastically reduce rear ends. People just get riled up at one off accidents because they make the news.
- r00fus 3y ago
  "Safe" isn't a binary. They could be extremely risky to use in specific known or unknown use-cases.
onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
> Nearly every other luxury automaker has an automatic steering and lane change feature as well. Are they calling smart cruise control "Full self driving" and "Autopilot"? Smart cruise control has existed for a while now, and it is not regularly veering off course and slamming into palm trees & fire trucks. Full self driving Teslas - according to Tesla - do not actually exist - and yet they sell & market them and have the outcomes that they do. And then they have the balls to lie and say the system wasn't engaged - and tell everyone to keep using Full Self Driving Autopilot as normal.
- redox99 3y ago
  What's wrong with Autopilot? It's a very good analogy to autopilot in airplanes.
  - onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
    I can't believe you're serious. How often does autopilot in airplanes speed up, veer off course, and crash into fire trucks and palm trees?
    - redox99 3y ago
      Your typical, old school airplane autopilot will happily crash into a mountain, not unlike how basic cruise control will happily crash into a wall.
      - mcpackieh 3y ago
        Pilots are not allowed to use those autopilots (or newer ones) until they have received careful training in the nature of those systems.
        redox99 3y ago
        That's definitely not true for private pilots.
  - rootusrootus 3y ago
    The comparison to airplanes only makes any kind of sense at all if you require that drivers have training on par with a pilot.
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rsynnott 3y ago
> optimistic marketing That’s… one term for it.

by dangus 3y ago

redox99 3y ago

> Something I’m not seeing yet in these comments is a discussion of the other automakers’ implementation of the same features. Because these threads always become Tesla hate instead of an objective analysis. All of these lane centering ADAS (including Autopilot) will kill you if you leave them unattended long enough (usually by taking a tight off-ramp at an unsafe speed). These is very evident to people who actually use these systems. And there's nothing wrong with such behavior, it's an L2 system. Cruise Control will also kill you. These systems have been on the road for a long while and people aren't dying left and right because of it, they are empirically reasonably safe. They're probably a net positive as they likely drastically reduce rear ends. People just get riled up at one off accidents because they make the news.

r00fus 3y ago
"Safe" isn't a binary. They could be extremely risky to use in specific known or unknown use-cases.

onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago

> Nearly every other luxury automaker has an automatic steering and lane change feature as well. Are they calling smart cruise control "Full self driving" and "Autopilot"? Smart cruise control has existed for a while now, and it is not regularly veering off course and slamming into palm trees & fire trucks. Full self driving Teslas - according to Tesla - do not actually exist - and yet they sell & market them and have the outcomes that they do. And then they have the balls to lie and say the system wasn't engaged - and tell everyone to keep using Full Self Driving Autopilot as normal.

redox99 3y ago
What's wrong with Autopilot? It's a very good analogy to autopilot in airplanes.
- onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
  I can't believe you're serious. How often does autopilot in airplanes speed up, veer off course, and crash into fire trucks and palm trees?
  - redox99 3y ago
    Your typical, old school airplane autopilot will happily crash into a mountain, not unlike how basic cruise control will happily crash into a wall.
    - mcpackieh 3y ago
      Pilots are not allowed to use those autopilots (or newer ones) until they have received careful training in the nature of those systems.
      - redox99 3y ago
        That's definitely not true for private pilots.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  The comparison to airplanes only makes any kind of sense at all if you require that drivers have training on par with a pilot.
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rsynnott 3y ago

> optimistic marketing That’s… one term for it.