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Honest question, do you feel you can safely take back the control of the car when driving on a motorway if the "auto pilot" feature take a random decision you c

by boudin 3y ago

Honest question, do you feel you can safely take back the control of the car when driving on a motorway if the "auto pilot" feature take a random decision you cannot predict?

thebruce87m 3y ago
Yes, once you apply enough force to the steering it disengages. Annoyingly, to prove you are in control you must apply slight pressure on the steering wheel. I say annoyingly since it sometimes doesn’t register and you have to give more, which is counterintuitive if it is doing the right thing. On single carriageways this is worse since you are effectively trying to steer the car into oncoming traffic or off the road to prove that you are watching. That’s one more reason I don’t use it on these types of roads. All-in, it’s not really worth it tbh, and this is just the basic autopilot.
- matthewdgreen 3y ago
  You can give it the same signal by moving the left volume knob up or down one click. It’s much safer than applying force to the wheel, which I agree is actively unsafe (the way Tesla handles it.)
  - thebruce87m 3y ago
    I have tried this but never got it to work. I only recently got the update that limited my charging to 80% so maybe I was behind.
    - kkwtflz 3y ago
      That only applies in the US, for Europe (and probably other markets) you need to apply steering input.
      - thebruce87m 3y ago
        Interesting, thanks! I kept trying it and though I wasn’t doing it right.
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pc86 3y ago
Not the GP but empirically you can't unless you get rid of the majority of FSD's benefit. You'd need to already have both hands on the wheel, have a foot over the pedals, and be paying as much attention as if you were driving - likely more - to see things start to go haywire in that first split second. And, pray that your reaction time is better than whatever FSD is going to try to do. Maybe that's how you're "supposed" to use FSD but realistically nobody does that. Teslas are not super common in my area but I have one friend who has one with Autopilot and uses it on his ~35 minute highway commute to work. He reads his email on his laptop next to him and doesn't look up at the road until his car gets off the highway. That's how 99% of people will use this.
- andsoitis 3y ago
  > I have one friend who has one with Autopilot and uses it on his ~35 minute highway commute to work. He reads his email on his laptop next to him and doesn't look up at the road until his car gets off the highway. Your friend is pretty reckless.
  - pc86 3y ago
    And this is exactly how most people will use FSD.
- steveBK123 3y ago
  Your friend, and I cannot emphasize this enough, is going to kill someone.
- invisible 3y ago
  I don't understand this "[reading] his email" thing. I can't look away from the road for more than a couple of seconds without the car alerting me to pay attention while FSD is enabled. It's currently both watching for attention (eyes) and nagging on the steering wheel. Autopilot at least does the steering wheel nag every 30-60s. Failing to acknowledge these cause the car to pull over and start blaring alarms in the cabin. I'm not sure how "99% of people" can use it the way you're describing, especially for FSD. I've personally never felt like I couldn't take control in <1s.
jonhohle 3y ago
It’s not just autopilot of even FSD with issues like this, though. I have a 2021 Kia and Toyota that like to aggressively brake at odd times a few times a year. It just happened again in the past week in the Kia. Going 70+MPH and having the brakes suddenly and unexpectedly applied while going around a corner is jarring regardless of how fast you take back control. My hypothesis for the Kia is that direct sun on corners at speed might affect the vision and/or collision system[0]. Is an infrequent jolt a reasonable trade off for the benefits? As an experienced driver o think so, but would my kids be able to handle it when the learn to drive? 0 - https://www.kia.com/content/dam/kia2/in/en/content/ev6-manual/topics/chapter6_15_3.html https://www.kia.com/content/dam/kia2/in/en/content/ev6-manua...
- Spooky23 3y ago
  I have similar issues occasionally with my older Honda. Usually the combo of incline, curve, sun and oncoming traffic trigger it.
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by boudin 3y ago

Honest question, do you feel you can safely take back the control of the car when driving on a motorway if the "auto pilot" feature take a random decision you cannot predict?

thebruce87m 3y ago

Yes, once you apply enough force to the steering it disengages. Annoyingly, to prove you are in control you must apply slight pressure on the steering wheel. I say annoyingly since it sometimes doesn’t register and you have to give more, which is counterintuitive if it is doing the right thing. On single carriageways this is worse since you are effectively trying to steer the car into oncoming traffic or off the road to prove that you are watching. That’s one more reason I don’t use it on these types of roads. All-in, it’s not really worth it tbh, and this is just the basic autopilot.

matthewdgreen 3y ago
You can give it the same signal by moving the left volume knob up or down one click. It’s much safer than applying force to the wheel, which I agree is actively unsafe (the way Tesla handles it.)
- thebruce87m 3y ago
  I have tried this but never got it to work. I only recently got the update that limited my charging to 80% so maybe I was behind.
  - kkwtflz 3y ago
    That only applies in the US, for Europe (and probably other markets) you need to apply steering input.
    - thebruce87m 3y ago
      Interesting, thanks! I kept trying it and though I wasn’t doing it right.
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pc86 3y ago

Not the GP but empirically you can't unless you get rid of the majority of FSD's benefit. You'd need to already have both hands on the wheel, have a foot over the pedals, and be paying as much attention as if you were driving - likely more - to see things start to go haywire in that first split second. And, pray that your reaction time is better than whatever FSD is going to try to do. Maybe that's how you're "supposed" to use FSD but realistically nobody does that. Teslas are not super common in my area but I have one friend who has one with Autopilot and uses it on his ~35 minute highway commute to work. He reads his email on his laptop next to him and doesn't look up at the road until his car gets off the highway. That's how 99% of people will use this.

andsoitis 3y ago
> I have one friend who has one with Autopilot and uses it on his ~35 minute highway commute to work. He reads his email on his laptop next to him and doesn't look up at the road until his car gets off the highway. Your friend is pretty reckless.
- pc86 3y ago
  And this is exactly how most people will use FSD.
steveBK123 3y ago
Your friend, and I cannot emphasize this enough, is going to kill someone.
invisible 3y ago
I don't understand this "[reading] his email" thing. I can't look away from the road for more than a couple of seconds without the car alerting me to pay attention while FSD is enabled. It's currently both watching for attention (eyes) and nagging on the steering wheel. Autopilot at least does the steering wheel nag every 30-60s. Failing to acknowledge these cause the car to pull over and start blaring alarms in the cabin. I'm not sure how "99% of people" can use it the way you're describing, especially for FSD. I've personally never felt like I couldn't take control in <1s.

jonhohle 3y ago

It’s not just autopilot of even FSD with issues like this, though. I have a 2021 Kia and Toyota that like to aggressively brake at odd times a few times a year. It just happened again in the past week in the Kia. Going 70+MPH and having the brakes suddenly and unexpectedly applied while going around a corner is jarring regardless of how fast you take back control. My hypothesis for the Kia is that direct sun on corners at speed might affect the vision and/or collision system[0]. Is an infrequent jolt a reasonable trade off for the benefits? As an experienced driver o think so, but would my kids be able to handle it when the learn to drive? 0 - https://www.kia.com/content/dam/kia2/in/en/content/ev6-manual/topics/chapter6_15_3.html https://www.kia.com/content/dam/kia2/in/en/content/ev6-manua...

Spooky23 3y ago
I have similar issues occasionally with my older Honda. Usually the combo of incline, curve, sun and oncoming traffic trigger it.

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