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Dishonorable? Lying us into wars is dishonorable. Stop putting government bureaucrats in charge of so much money, its obvious they can't spend it appropriately,

Dishonorable? Lying us into wars is dishonorable. Stop putting government bureaucrats in charge of so much money, its obvious they can't spend it appropriately, I could get a hell of a lot more bang for my buck out of spending my own money.

snapcaster 3y ago
I'm very personally against the war state and general US imperialism but I don't think the "bang for your buck" argument is necessarily true. I couldn't personally secure alliances with or occupations of oil rich nations that allow for me to have access to extremely cheap energy. I think I benefit from it, but that doesn't make it just
- Geisterde 3y ago
  Why can't a business like exxon secure contracts for your oil? You benefit from the government doing it on a first order where the worlds oil is priced in your native currency, secondary effects may include the world hating you, the destruction of domestic production, your cultural traditions fading into obscurity, corruption, the joining of political and corporate interests. Ask your doctor before taking.
  - pc86 3y ago
    What do you mean by "secure contracts" in this context?
    - Geisterde 3y ago
      Exxon signs a contract with oil producers in Iraq or Saudi Arabia, Exxon pays them for the oil and those countries provide it, they put it on a boat and ship it to the US, the put it in a gas station and sell it to you by the gallon.
birdyrooster 3y ago
No I rather like that you are required to give some of your income back to the whole of society, it's a good practice to not be so closed and isolated.
- Geisterde 3y ago
  Why do I need to be required? I give money to people who do good things without being required, and I'd give a lot more if I had more money. Build good FOSS and I'll send you some money, make a meme that advances the culture, I'll send you some money, down on your luck I'll send you some money, even when I was broke I'd send friends money if it meant I was rationing ramen and beans. The idea that people won't help each other out without being required seems like projection, and before there was an income tax we still had roads, rails, schools/colleges, and a military, so the idea that we need this might seem obvious, but history does not prove it out.
millzlane 3y ago
I can't argue with that. You've make good points. Both my parents were vets and I was in ROTC and civil air patrol for many years.

snapcaster 3y ago

I'm very personally against the war state and general US imperialism but I don't think the "bang for your buck" argument is necessarily true. I couldn't personally secure alliances with or occupations of oil rich nations that allow for me to have access to extremely cheap energy. I think I benefit from it, but that doesn't make it just

Geisterde 3y ago
Why can't a business like exxon secure contracts for your oil? You benefit from the government doing it on a first order where the worlds oil is priced in your native currency, secondary effects may include the world hating you, the destruction of domestic production, your cultural traditions fading into obscurity, corruption, the joining of political and corporate interests. Ask your doctor before taking.
- pc86 3y ago
  What do you mean by "secure contracts" in this context?
  - Geisterde 3y ago
    Exxon signs a contract with oil producers in Iraq or Saudi Arabia, Exxon pays them for the oil and those countries provide it, they put it on a boat and ship it to the US, the put it in a gas station and sell it to you by the gallon.

birdyrooster 3y ago

No I rather like that you are required to give some of your income back to the whole of society, it's a good practice to not be so closed and isolated.

Geisterde 3y ago
Why do I need to be required? I give money to people who do good things without being required, and I'd give a lot more if I had more money. Build good FOSS and I'll send you some money, make a meme that advances the culture, I'll send you some money, down on your luck I'll send you some money, even when I was broke I'd send friends money if it meant I was rationing ramen and beans. The idea that people won't help each other out without being required seems like projection, and before there was an income tax we still had roads, rails, schools/colleges, and a military, so the idea that we need this might seem obvious, but history does not prove it out.

millzlane 3y ago

I can't argue with that. You've make good points. Both my parents were vets and I was in ROTC and civil air patrol for many years.