> Software Engineering and Computer Science These are not necessarily the same thing (depends on the school), and many people who program computers are neither

> Software Engineering and Computer Science These are not necessarily the same thing (depends on the school), and many people who program computers are neither engineers nor scientists in any field, let alone in computing and software. In all fields, not only programming, if you hire people without formal training, you get people without formal training. Sometimes they will acquire the same learning organically over many years (and maybe even surpass their capital-E Engineer brethren), sometimes they won't. You may even prefer them to not have the rigidity of formal training. Moreover, this is not a new thing, nor, necessarily, a bad thing. The Wright Brothers weren't trained engineers. Qualified engineers of the time would have considered them woefully under-educated even for simplistic design work, and yet they built a working plane when no one else had.