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What do you think it's playing catch up to? To only competitor I see is Rails. No other framework has such a rich and powerful ecosystem for web development.

martinald 3y ago
asp.net core?
viraptor 3y ago
Ecosystem: Django/Rails Language features and non-web usage: basically everything Handling concurrency/streaming: Phoenix Simplicity while providing batteries: Flask Backend/front-end integration: Blazor
- pindab0ter 3y ago
  Can you give examples of how Laravel is playing catch-up in these regards? Backend/front-end integration is very well done with Livewire/Inertia. Simplicity while providing batteries is a given, but even more so with some of the starter kits. And honestly, I’ve been quite impressed with all the high quality, Laravel-specific packages out there (looking at you, Spatie). I’ll definitely give you non-web usage and most of language features (even though PHP nowadays has first class type support, which can’t be said of Rails, unfortunately). And yes, concurrency is all but absent. Apart from RoR, I haven’t used much else in the full stack framework space, so I’d love to hear!
  - codersfocus 3y ago
    I think even your knowledge is lacking in how awesome PHP is for web dev. Instead of Inertia, we have Livewire now Filament for amazingly quick and super powerful admin panels (like Avo for Rails) Not including everything else available for auth, payments, basically any non unique SaaS feature has a good package available. There is definitely concurrency with Swole (and implemented in Laravel with Optane, giving a 2x speed boost by default.)
tracker1 3y ago
You might want to look into the JS/Node ecosystem sometime... there are a LOT of powerful frameworks with everything to highly flexible mix/match to batteries included (next/nuxt) options. Not to mention modules for anything and everything under the sun you might want to do, with adaptors for module development bringing in about every option under the sun. This is just an example, not a strict advocation... I've been more fond of batteries not included options myself, and in particular been admiring rust options a lot.

martinald 3y ago

asp.net core?

viraptor 3y ago

Ecosystem: Django/Rails Language features and non-web usage: basically everything Handling concurrency/streaming: Phoenix Simplicity while providing batteries: Flask Backend/front-end integration: Blazor

pindab0ter 3y ago
Can you give examples of how Laravel is playing catch-up in these regards? Backend/front-end integration is very well done with Livewire/Inertia. Simplicity while providing batteries is a given, but even more so with some of the starter kits. And honestly, I’ve been quite impressed with all the high quality, Laravel-specific packages out there (looking at you, Spatie). I’ll definitely give you non-web usage and most of language features (even though PHP nowadays has first class type support, which can’t be said of Rails, unfortunately). And yes, concurrency is all but absent. Apart from RoR, I haven’t used much else in the full stack framework space, so I’d love to hear!
- codersfocus 3y ago
  I think even your knowledge is lacking in how awesome PHP is for web dev. Instead of Inertia, we have Livewire now Filament for amazingly quick and super powerful admin panels (like Avo for Rails) Not including everything else available for auth, payments, basically any non unique SaaS feature has a good package available. There is definitely concurrency with Swole (and implemented in Laravel with Optane, giving a 2x speed boost by default.)

tracker1 3y ago

You might want to look into the JS/Node ecosystem sometime... there are a LOT of powerful frameworks with everything to highly flexible mix/match to batteries included (next/nuxt) options. Not to mention modules for anything and everything under the sun you might want to do, with adaptors for module development bringing in about every option under the sun. This is just an example, not a strict advocation... I've been more fond of batteries not included options myself, and in particular been admiring rust options a lot.