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I actually forgot about that, what did they do? Ask for Patreon contributions?

by oblio 3y ago

kbknapp 3y ago
It was a combination between Patreon and Github Sponsors for solo the lead developer at the time making several thousand USD per month. Those campaigns are still ongoing AFAIK, but the contribution amounts are now private.
- amedvednikov 3y ago
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  - ta20230828 3y ago
    > To quote the HN mod: the language is fine, and there's no need in these flame wars Really? In trying to counter claims about V misrepresenting things, you ... misrepresent what dang said? Hint: "I'm sure your language is fine" in no way implies that dang said "the language is fine".
    - msm_ 3y ago
      >Hint: "I'm sure your language is fine" in no way implies that dang said "the language is fine". This made me realise how trying to sound polite may completely obfuscate what you want to say.
  - ModernMech 3y ago
    This right here is why people have a problem with you and your language. You did make outrageous claims, and to now say you didn't is gaslighting. Accordingly, people do not trust you. Here's just one. On an early version of your webpage you said in big bold font: > V can translate your entire C/C++ project and offer you the safety, simplicity, and up to 200x compilation speed up. When people called you out, it turned into this small subscript: > C++ to V translation is at an early stage. And it's been in an "early stage" ever since. I'm sorry, but when you said "can translate your entire C/C++ project" did you mean "can" or did you mean "one day will be able to". Because those are completely different, and to say one when you mean the other is grossly misleading. To now say that you never said the former outrageous claim is gaslighting. We're not idiots or goldfish.
    - riku_iki 3y ago
      > To now say that you never said the former wondering if you have any link on where author said this (that he never said the former)?..
      - deleted 3y ago
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      - kaba0 3y ago
        https://web.archive.org/web/20190304161953/https://vlang.io// https://web.archive.org/web/20190304161953/https://vlang.io/... You can take a look at the progress of claims.
        riku_iki 3y ago
        my question was not about claims progression on website.
      - ModernMech 3y ago
        I responded to the post where he said "There were no outrageous claims". "V can translate your entire C/C++ project" is an outrageous claim because it wasn't true then, it isn't true now, and it doesn't appear it will ever be true.
        riku_iki 3y ago
        it is typical for experimental/beta/alpha projects that features don't work or/and later found not to be feasible and later dropped from road map, there is nothing "outrageous" here. From another hand, you clearly tried to manipulate narrative by changing context and specificity.
        forgotpwd16 3y ago
        There's one thing having them on a roadmap and another claiming can do it and using it as a selling point. First is acceptable, second is a scam.
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Tozen 3y ago
Developers are allowed to get or ask for contributions, donations, or sponsors. To add to the strangeness of how its being mischaracterized, was the apparent jealousy (back in 2019) over the amount of donations that other developers got. Then for certain ones to have got so upset at getting less, they started to bash and publicly ask people to give them their money instead. Somehow, it's OK for X to get money for their competing language, but it's "wrong" for Y to get money for their language.
- oblio 3y ago
  I have no horse in this race (and you obviously do). There were a TON of red flags around V for at least 1 year after the initial announcement. Funding, exaggerated claims, etc. I wish V the best of luck but the start wasn't something that inspired confidence in neutral observers like me.

I actually forgot about that, what did they do? Ask for Patreon contributions?

by oblio 3y ago

I actually forgot about that, what did they do? Ask for Patreon contributions?

It was a combination between Patreon and Github Sponsors for solo the lead developer at the time making several thousand USD per month. Those campaigns are still ongoing AFAIK, but the contribution amounts are now private.

amedvednikov 3y ago
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- ta20230828 3y ago
  > To quote the HN mod: the language is fine, and there's no need in these flame wars Really? In trying to counter claims about V misrepresenting things, you ... misrepresent what dang said? Hint: "I'm sure your language is fine" in no way implies that dang said "the language is fine".
  - msm_ 3y ago
    >Hint: "I'm sure your language is fine" in no way implies that dang said "the language is fine". This made me realise how trying to sound polite may completely obfuscate what you want to say.
- ModernMech 3y ago
  This right here is why people have a problem with you and your language. You did make outrageous claims, and to now say you didn't is gaslighting. Accordingly, people do not trust you. Here's just one. On an early version of your webpage you said in big bold font: > V can translate your entire C/C++ project and offer you the safety, simplicity, and up to 200x compilation speed up. When people called you out, it turned into this small subscript: > C++ to V translation is at an early stage. And it's been in an "early stage" ever since. I'm sorry, but when you said "can translate your entire C/C++ project" did you mean "can" or did you mean "one day will be able to". Because those are completely different, and to say one when you mean the other is grossly misleading. To now say that you never said the former outrageous claim is gaslighting. We're not idiots or goldfish.
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    > To now say that you never said the former wondering if you have any link on where author said this (that he never said the former)?..
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - kaba0 3y ago
      https://web.archive.org/web/20190304161953/https://vlang.io// https://web.archive.org/web/20190304161953/https://vlang.io/... You can take a look at the progress of claims.
      - riku_iki 3y ago
        my question was not about claims progression on website.
    - ModernMech 3y ago
      I responded to the post where he said "There were no outrageous claims". "V can translate your entire C/C++ project" is an outrageous claim because it wasn't true then, it isn't true now, and it doesn't appear it will ever be true.
      - riku_iki 3y ago
        it is typical for experimental/beta/alpha projects that features don't work or/and later found not to be feasible and later dropped from road map, there is nothing "outrageous" here. From another hand, you clearly tried to manipulate narrative by changing context and specificity.
        forgotpwd16 3y ago
        There's one thing having them on a roadmap and another claiming can do it and using it as a selling point. First is acceptable, second is a scam.

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Tozen 3y ago

Developers are allowed to get or ask for contributions, donations, or sponsors. To add to the strangeness of how its being mischaracterized, was the apparent jealousy (back in 2019) over the amount of donations that other developers got. Then for certain ones to have got so upset at getting less, they started to bash and publicly ask people to give them their money instead. Somehow, it's OK for X to get money for their competing language, but it's "wrong" for Y to get money for their language.

oblio 3y ago
I have no horse in this race (and you obviously do). There were a TON of red flags around V for at least 1 year after the initial announcement. Funding, exaggerated claims, etc. I wish V the best of luck but the start wasn't something that inspired confidence in neutral observers like me.