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Well, to sum it up what you wrote - you are a proper mess, you took drugs without supervision despite literally everybody, everywhere, all the time since 50s ad

Well, to sum it up what you wrote - you are a proper mess, you took drugs without supervision despite literally everybody, everywhere, all the time since 50s advising to NOT take any drugs (including alcohol and cigarettes/nicotine) in such conditions. Then unsurprisingly you got hurt, and now you are sour on whole world and want to tell everybody how to live their lives, since you obviously know what's best for all of us. And of course you understand very well literally every single human being in this world in these ways. Did I miss anything? With great power comes great responsibility, you skipped the second part. Me, just like many others, had wonderful, enlightening experiences and I've done the best decisions in my life with help of those (but not only those). Those decisions stood the test of time and literally decades after they happened they are still right ones and I am profoundly thankful for them. And it literally doesn't matter what anybody sour writes on internet, you do you and we do us, in both good and bad ways.

bowsamic 3y ago
> Did I miss anything? I mean, yes, since this quite poorly summarises the situation. (I was not born in a place where I was told not to do drugs, I did drugs in a very safe environment with people I love who were supervising and caring for me, I dosed accordingly and carefully, I thought my mental state was conducive to the experience, etc. etc. etc.) > Me, just like many others, had wonderful, enlightening experiences and I've done the best decisions in my life with help of those (but not only those). I mean, yes, it's called being on drugs. When on MDMA people feel very empathetic and happy, similar on psychedelics. In Buddhism we call it "delusion" > And it literally doesn't matter what anybody sour writes on internet If you don't care at all, why are you even telling me? Your response does not read like an enlightened person. My Buddhist teacher did not speak in the way that you are speaking
- saiya-jin 3y ago
  I am responding to what I perceive as incorrect subjective statements, welcome to internet and its forums :) It may shock you but not everybody strives to be buddhist or adhere to their core values (not everything in that religion is a-OK as per modern moral standards). I don't even care about some enlightenment, its some concept of one specific religion not particularly close to my heart. I like buddhists in their original countries a lot, shiny glowing people regardless of their often hard lives, westerns lost wannabes eternally looking for salvation usually not so much. Some of us, 'enlightened' by spiritual aspects of psychedelics (just to be clear, I talk about psylocibin, it gave me all I ever needed from it and much more, no need for me to go into MDMA or further) realized that spirituality tells us a lot how humans are wired internally and what happens when you mess with brain's receptors, but absolutely nothing about existence of actual higher power(s). And I don't need the existence of those powers, since I don't believe in them any more than in Santa claus. I am content with my own death (as extreme sports bring you close to it often), life so far figured out, I know exactly what my purpose in this life is, how to make myself long term content and happy, caring for my wife and kids, have cca good creative work, living in amazing place in Switzerland, taking care of my body. I really don't need anything else, and for none of that any kind of religion or ancient philosophy is necessary.
  - bowsamic 3y ago
    If you mention the word "enlightenment" then I can only relate it to what I learnt from my religion, Buddhism, since that is where the term has been taken from. I'm aware of no other form of enlightenment than Buddhist enlightenment. I'm not sure how you want me to relate to the word outside of a Buddhist context. > I like buddhists in their original countries a lot, shiny glowing people regardless of their often hard lives, westerns lost wannabes eternally looking for salvation usually not so much. You are too ignorant to comment on such things. All Buddhist are "wannabes eternally looking for salvation", that's the whole point of Buddhism, that we want to become a Buddha and save ourselves and others from suffering. Most Buddhists in the world are Pure Land Buddhists, so they pray to Amida Buddha so they can be reborn in his Western Pure Land. I recommend to just use a different word than enlightenment and avoid getting so involved in something you clearly know very little about.

bowsamic 3y ago

> Did I miss anything? I mean, yes, since this quite poorly summarises the situation. (I was not born in a place where I was told not to do drugs, I did drugs in a very safe environment with people I love who were supervising and caring for me, I dosed accordingly and carefully, I thought my mental state was conducive to the experience, etc. etc. etc.) > Me, just like many others, had wonderful, enlightening experiences and I've done the best decisions in my life with help of those (but not only those). I mean, yes, it's called being on drugs. When on MDMA people feel very empathetic and happy, similar on psychedelics. In Buddhism we call it "delusion" > And it literally doesn't matter what anybody sour writes on internet If you don't care at all, why are you even telling me? Your response does not read like an enlightened person. My Buddhist teacher did not speak in the way that you are speaking

saiya-jin 3y ago
I am responding to what I perceive as incorrect subjective statements, welcome to internet and its forums :) It may shock you but not everybody strives to be buddhist or adhere to their core values (not everything in that religion is a-OK as per modern moral standards). I don't even care about some enlightenment, its some concept of one specific religion not particularly close to my heart. I like buddhists in their original countries a lot, shiny glowing people regardless of their often hard lives, westerns lost wannabes eternally looking for salvation usually not so much. Some of us, 'enlightened' by spiritual aspects of psychedelics (just to be clear, I talk about psylocibin, it gave me all I ever needed from it and much more, no need for me to go into MDMA or further) realized that spirituality tells us a lot how humans are wired internally and what happens when you mess with brain's receptors, but absolutely nothing about existence of actual higher power(s). And I don't need the existence of those powers, since I don't believe in them any more than in Santa claus. I am content with my own death (as extreme sports bring you close to it often), life so far figured out, I know exactly what my purpose in this life is, how to make myself long term content and happy, caring for my wife and kids, have cca good creative work, living in amazing place in Switzerland, taking care of my body. I really don't need anything else, and for none of that any kind of religion or ancient philosophy is necessary.
- bowsamic 3y ago
  If you mention the word "enlightenment" then I can only relate it to what I learnt from my religion, Buddhism, since that is where the term has been taken from. I'm aware of no other form of enlightenment than Buddhist enlightenment. I'm not sure how you want me to relate to the word outside of a Buddhist context. > I like buddhists in their original countries a lot, shiny glowing people regardless of their often hard lives, westerns lost wannabes eternally looking for salvation usually not so much. You are too ignorant to comment on such things. All Buddhist are "wannabes eternally looking for salvation", that's the whole point of Buddhism, that we want to become a Buddha and save ourselves and others from suffering. Most Buddhists in the world are Pure Land Buddhists, so they pray to Amida Buddha so they can be reborn in his Western Pure Land. I recommend to just use a different word than enlightenment and avoid getting so involved in something you clearly know very little about.