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They overpromised, which is quite frowned upon in foss circles where there's usually no incentive to do that. Personally, I'm quite happy that any attempts to n

They overpromised, which is quite frowned upon in foss circles where there's usually no incentive to do that. Personally, I'm quite happy that any attempts to normalize a culture of lying gets a strong reaction.

colejohnson66 3y ago
The response by the creator and others against the critics was also frowned upon. I'm interested in how this language will go, but those actions a year or so ago still leave a bad taste.
- sebastianconcpt 3y ago
  And yet, all that would be nothing but temporary noise if the resulting artifact that delivers gets made. I'm more of a dynamic tech guy but I see this language as something that needs to exist.
- amedvednikov 3y ago
  What response?
  - pwdisswordfishc 3y ago
    Typical example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37293919 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37293919
    - amedvednikov 3y ago
      > If you've been dreaming about a language like this, give it a try. Spend 20 minutes on it, and form your opinion. > I'm sure you'll like it! And what's wrong with this comment?
      - lifthrasiir 3y ago
        > There are no false or misleading claims, only in the articles from authors who say "V must die". I'd like you to elaborate on this instead. Were there many articles with explicit death threats?
        amedvednikov 3y ago
        You consider the phrase "[lang] must die" a death threat? Only the author of the vaporware articles said that, AFAIK.
        lifthrasiir 3y ago
        If that article hasn't been changed since the publication, the strongest statement is "as it stands I recommend against using it for anything" AFIAK, and it is far from saying "it must die". She even gave many suggestions for improvement, some of which are shared with mine. I think you are reading too much from those criticisms.
        amedvednikov 3y ago
        The author said "V must die" in an HN comment here long after posting the articles.
        lifthrasiir 3y ago
        I failed to locate such a comment. And even if there was one and got removed later, the last known position is that she regret to write an article that can be perceived as toxic, no matter her intent [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31954082 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31954082
        amedvednikov 3y ago
        You maybe failed to find it, yet it exists: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27442724 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27442724
manofmanysmiles 3y ago
In the last 15 minutes I’ve read a few blog posts and reddit threads and am saddened. It does seem there are many false or misleading claims, though there does appear to be steady progress, or at least the appearance of it. I hope the language or another like it eventually can fill this niche. I’ve been dreaming of a similar language myself..
- amedvednikov 3y ago
  Don't trust everything you read on reddit. There are no false or misleading claims, only in the articles from authors who say "V must die". Like complaining that V depends on OpenGl, Git, libc, and electricity! If you've been dreaming about a language like this, give it a try. Spend 20 minutes on it, and form your opinion. I'm sure you'll like it!
- bakul 3y ago
  Ignore all the pro/con noise. git clone its repo, compile it locally and play with it. Write some code. You’ll be pleasantly surprised (at least I was). Its progress is pretty good (few tests break now and then and once in a while the self-compile breaks and I have to run make). If you know Go, it is very easy to pick up but don’t expect it to be exactly like go and it has its own idioms. Note: I’m interested in V but not involved in V development.
- Tozen 3y ago
  A lot of the false accusations, spamming of negative links, and misinformation arguably comes from those with competing or hidden interests. It's a lot of language war antics, that got out of control. Various competing languages use reddit as a forum, because their language didn't previously have one or their developers didn't open up discussions on GitHub. Evangelists of competing languages can be allowed to bash, flame, or troll opposing languages on various subreddits. If they outnumber a rival language, in a place they often congregate and the mods will allow such behavior, then they can get away with typing the most outrageous or foul statements for points. It came become a bash and troll festival, and anyone that dares oppose, can get intentionally downvoted away or punished by their mods who have control. People that are casuals or don't know what's going on behind the scenes, may see only their side. There is often no balanced discussion. Any opposing view points to the false accusations, extreme negative positions, misinformation, or wrong statements may not be allowed to be seen.

colejohnson66 3y ago

The response by the creator and others against the critics was also frowned upon. I'm interested in how this language will go, but those actions a year or so ago still leave a bad taste.

sebastianconcpt 3y ago
And yet, all that would be nothing but temporary noise if the resulting artifact that delivers gets made. I'm more of a dynamic tech guy but I see this language as something that needs to exist.
amedvednikov 3y ago
What response?
- pwdisswordfishc 3y ago
  Typical example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37293919 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37293919
  - amedvednikov 3y ago
    > If you've been dreaming about a language like this, give it a try. Spend 20 minutes on it, and form your opinion. > I'm sure you'll like it! And what's wrong with this comment?
    - lifthrasiir 3y ago
      > There are no false or misleading claims, only in the articles from authors who say "V must die". I'd like you to elaborate on this instead. Were there many articles with explicit death threats?
      - amedvednikov 3y ago
        You consider the phrase "[lang] must die" a death threat? Only the author of the vaporware articles said that, AFAIK.
        lifthrasiir 3y ago
        If that article hasn't been changed since the publication, the strongest statement is "as it stands I recommend against using it for anything" AFIAK, and it is far from saying "it must die". She even gave many suggestions for improvement, some of which are shared with mine. I think you are reading too much from those criticisms.
        amedvednikov 3y ago
        The author said "V must die" in an HN comment here long after posting the articles.
        lifthrasiir 3y ago
        I failed to locate such a comment. And even if there was one and got removed later, the last known position is that she regret to write an article that can be perceived as toxic, no matter her intent [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31954082 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31954082
        amedvednikov 3y ago
        You maybe failed to find it, yet it exists: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27442724 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27442724

manofmanysmiles 3y ago

In the last 15 minutes I’ve read a few blog posts and reddit threads and am saddened. It does seem there are many false or misleading claims, though there does appear to be steady progress, or at least the appearance of it. I hope the language or another like it eventually can fill this niche. I’ve been dreaming of a similar language myself..

amedvednikov 3y ago
Don't trust everything you read on reddit. There are no false or misleading claims, only in the articles from authors who say "V must die". Like complaining that V depends on OpenGl, Git, libc, and electricity! If you've been dreaming about a language like this, give it a try. Spend 20 minutes on it, and form your opinion. I'm sure you'll like it!
bakul 3y ago
Ignore all the pro/con noise. git clone its repo, compile it locally and play with it. Write some code. You’ll be pleasantly surprised (at least I was). Its progress is pretty good (few tests break now and then and once in a while the self-compile breaks and I have to run make). If you know Go, it is very easy to pick up but don’t expect it to be exactly like go and it has its own idioms. Note: I’m interested in V but not involved in V development.
Tozen 3y ago
A lot of the false accusations, spamming of negative links, and misinformation arguably comes from those with competing or hidden interests. It's a lot of language war antics, that got out of control. Various competing languages use reddit as a forum, because their language didn't previously have one or their developers didn't open up discussions on GitHub. Evangelists of competing languages can be allowed to bash, flame, or troll opposing languages on various subreddits. If they outnumber a rival language, in a place they often congregate and the mods will allow such behavior, then they can get away with typing the most outrageous or foul statements for points. It came become a bash and troll festival, and anyone that dares oppose, can get intentionally downvoted away or punished by their mods who have control. People that are casuals or don't know what's going on behind the scenes, may see only their side. There is often no balanced discussion. Any opposing view points to the false accusations, extreme negative positions, misinformation, or wrong statements may not be allowed to be seen.