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This is such nonsense agitprop. There is zero evidence "Russia did this". I could just as easily see the CIA doing it, because everyone knows that the CIA wan

This is such nonsense agitprop. There is zero evidence "Russia did this". I could just as easily see the CIA doing it, because everyone knows that the CIA wants to have the world blame Russia for evil things in order to distract from the CIA's vast litany of evil things. And such a position would be equally specious in light of the evidence: there is none at hand, either way. What you are doing is merely participating in two minutes hate of the enemy de jour ..

N19PEDL2 3y ago
> I could just as easily see the CIA doing it, because everyone knows that the CIA wants to have the world blame Russia for evil things in order to distract from the CIA's vast litany of evil things. I don't think the CIA needs to do anything to have the world blame Russia. Russia itself is already doing a very good job in this regard. And if Russia is the enemy de jour (better, de la décennie), it can only blame itself.
- boffinAudio 3y ago
  > have the world blame Russia. BRICS called, they wanna give back some funny money they've been hoarding. I think you might want to send it to the folks in the UMBRAGE group, see what they have to (not) say about it .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vault_7#UMBRAGE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vault_7#UMBRAGE Besides which, attacking a rival countrys' infrastructure is an act of war (NS2, etc.) so making the Poles hate Russia even more - eventually resulting in public support of Polands' occupation of Western Ukraine attaining critical populist mass .. seems like an easy outcome of this attack. What does Russia gain from stopping a few trains in Poland? Nothing. What does the CIA gain from making Poles hate Russians even more? A heck of a lot. Especially given todays newsroll explaining the Zelensky doesn't have its allies support for the invasion of Russia .. >de la décennie Nope, that's still the USA for a significant portion of the world.
  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    > BRICS called, they wanna give back some funny money they've been hoarding. I think you might want to send it to the folks in the UMBRAGE group, see what they have to (not) say about it .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vault_7#UMBRAGE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vault_7#UMBRAGE Russia has similar groups of cyber threat actors so this doesn’t really prove anything. > so making the Poles hate Russia even more I’m pretty sure Polands feelings regarding Russia are poor enough that a simple attack on their rail system is not going to make them change the way they feel. > eventually resulting in public support of Polands' occupation of Western Ukraine attaining critical populist mass .. seems like an easy outcome of this attack. This doesn’t seem like it’s ever gonna happen as it doesn’t have any reason to. Do you have any evidence that Poland is planning to occupy western Ukraine?. > Especially given todays newsroll explaining the Zelensky doesn't have its allies support for the invasion of Russia . Ukraine doesn’t want to invade Russia they want to stop Russias invasion so I’m not sure what this sentence even means.
    - boffinAudio 3y ago
      >I’m pretty sure Polands feelings regarding Russia are poor enough that a simple attack on their rail system is not going to make them change the way they feel. Its called agitprop because it agitates an existing condition. >Do you have any evidence that Poland is planning to occupy western Ukraine?. No. >doesn’t really prove anything Yeah. Thats the point. There is no evidence this was Russia, either. Still, the narrative persists throughout this thread ..
brabel 3y ago
> There is zero evidence "Russia did this". I know that... and I thought it was obvious that whoever did it, thought it would be funny to play the Russian national anthem on the signal because they knew the West would immediately blame Russia, like our friends here already did (would Russian agents play their national anthem for fun if this was a nation-level job?? Sounds ridiculous, right? But then again, that may be what they knew you would think :D)!
- boffinAudio 3y ago
  So much Matrjoschka, so little actual evidence...

N19PEDL2 3y ago

> I could just as easily see the CIA doing it, because everyone knows that the CIA wants to have the world blame Russia for evil things in order to distract from the CIA's vast litany of evil things. I don't think the CIA needs to do anything to have the world blame Russia. Russia itself is already doing a very good job in this regard. And if Russia is the enemy de jour (better, de la décennie), it can only blame itself.

boffinAudio 3y ago
> have the world blame Russia. BRICS called, they wanna give back some funny money they've been hoarding. I think you might want to send it to the folks in the UMBRAGE group, see what they have to (not) say about it .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vault_7#UMBRAGE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vault_7#UMBRAGE Besides which, attacking a rival countrys' infrastructure is an act of war (NS2, etc.) so making the Poles hate Russia even more - eventually resulting in public support of Polands' occupation of Western Ukraine attaining critical populist mass .. seems like an easy outcome of this attack. What does Russia gain from stopping a few trains in Poland? Nothing. What does the CIA gain from making Poles hate Russians even more? A heck of a lot. Especially given todays newsroll explaining the Zelensky doesn't have its allies support for the invasion of Russia .. >de la décennie Nope, that's still the USA for a significant portion of the world.
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > BRICS called, they wanna give back some funny money they've been hoarding. I think you might want to send it to the folks in the UMBRAGE group, see what they have to (not) say about it .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vault_7#UMBRAGE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vault_7#UMBRAGE Russia has similar groups of cyber threat actors so this doesn’t really prove anything. > so making the Poles hate Russia even more I’m pretty sure Polands feelings regarding Russia are poor enough that a simple attack on their rail system is not going to make them change the way they feel. > eventually resulting in public support of Polands' occupation of Western Ukraine attaining critical populist mass .. seems like an easy outcome of this attack. This doesn’t seem like it’s ever gonna happen as it doesn’t have any reason to. Do you have any evidence that Poland is planning to occupy western Ukraine?. > Especially given todays newsroll explaining the Zelensky doesn't have its allies support for the invasion of Russia . Ukraine doesn’t want to invade Russia they want to stop Russias invasion so I’m not sure what this sentence even means.
  - boffinAudio 3y ago
    >I’m pretty sure Polands feelings regarding Russia are poor enough that a simple attack on their rail system is not going to make them change the way they feel. Its called agitprop because it agitates an existing condition. >Do you have any evidence that Poland is planning to occupy western Ukraine?. No. >doesn’t really prove anything Yeah. Thats the point. There is no evidence this was Russia, either. Still, the narrative persists throughout this thread ..

brabel 3y ago

> There is zero evidence "Russia did this". I know that... and I thought it was obvious that whoever did it, thought it would be funny to play the Russian national anthem on the signal because they knew the West would immediately blame Russia, like our friends here already did (would Russian agents play their national anthem for fun if this was a nation-level job?? Sounds ridiculous, right? But then again, that may be what they knew you would think :D)!

boffinAudio 3y ago
So much Matrjoschka, so little actual evidence...