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You can't be technically addicted to stuff like psylocybin, not in physical way. The more frequently you take it, the less effect it has to the point where ther

You can't be technically addicted to stuff like psylocybin, not in physical way. The more frequently you take it, the less effect it has to the point where there is almost none, losing any reason to take it. Clearly you have no clue what you write about in your snarky way, there are numerous other incorrect statements in those few sentences, but something tells me there is no point going deeper on those.

bowsamic 3y ago
Unfortunately I know all too well, both dealing with severe mental illness caused in myself by these drugs, and in others. These drugs are very dangerous and should remain illegal. At most they should be used in extreme situations under strict guidance How do you expect me to support something that has destroyed mine and others' mental health? I would give anything to go back to having never taken these drugs
- maxbond 3y ago
  > How do you expect me to support something that has destroyed mine and others' mental health? I'm sorry to hear that you were hurt by psilocybin and other drugs. Unfortunately I think a recreational drug culture is ill equipped to understand and manage the hazards of powerful hallucinogenics drugs, and that too many people are left with bad and even traumatic experiences. But doesn't this go both ways? How do you expect people who found a profound benefit from psilocybin not to discuss their experiences? I can understand advocating for caution, absolutely, but you're implying in your earlier comment that you believe they're deluding themselves. Why would your experience invalidate theirs?
  - bowsamic 3y ago
    Because I personally believe that we should learn to live with our lives as the mind presents it to us instead of trying to fool ourselves into thinking our altered drug states give us some kind of deeper insight into reality, which they obviously don't. They disconnect us more from the universe and our own lives
    - maxbond 3y ago
      It's far from obvious to me. Drugs have helped me to understand myself, the way my perception works, and the nature of reality. They've also helped me to manage my anxiety and depression. You can tell me that's an illusion, but you'd be mistaken. And how would you know whether my experiences were false? You couldn't possibly.
      - bowsamic 3y ago
        > Drugs have helped me to understand myself, the way my perception works, and the nature of reality. They haven't, you just think they have. There are real ways to gain such insight, but not through breaking your brain's pattern recognition capabilities. > They've also helped me to manage my anxiety and depression. Well, they are drugs. > You can tell me that's an illusion, but you'd be mistaken. What is an illusion and what isn't? I'm not saying you aren't having those experiences, I'm just saying that they are not actually related to some biological element of yourself, such as you living a human life. Psychedelics breaks our pattern recognition, sense data starts to get interpreted in different ways and we see, hear, and feel sense data in a different way. They just fuzz up the control system of your brain. While it's true that your normal experiences are not somehow "less illusory" than those drug experiences, it is true that they are a more accurate model of external reality. Your mind is constantly refreshing its own model of reality, according to received inputs. Psychedelics totally mess up your model of reality. The problem is that now you are attaching to this messed up model of reality as somehow real and insightful. It's not, it's just what happens when your brain isn't functioning properly.
        maxbond 3y ago
        It's very strange to me to hear a Buddhist argue that I should forgo something which eases my suffering and advances my spiritual practice because of my biology! Also very strange to hear a Buddhist proclaim they not only understand reality, but reality from my perspective. I'm not a Buddhist, but I've been studying Zen lately (though I understand you may subscribe to a different interpretation), and this really flies in the face of everything I've learned. There's only one person in this world who gets to decide whether my brain is functioning properly, and whether my understanding of reality is advancing my material and spiritual goals. I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine who that person is.
- npteljes 3y ago
  I respect your experience in this. If you would like others to understand your point, you need to add your experience, not just sling "get a grip, druggie" to the conversation.
  - bowsamic 3y ago
    I see so much pro-drug propaganda on sites like this and others that it barely seems worth putting in the effort to try to get others to understand
    - creata 3y ago
      Maybe, but there's no point in half-assing it like this.

bowsamic 3y ago

Unfortunately I know all too well, both dealing with severe mental illness caused in myself by these drugs, and in others. These drugs are very dangerous and should remain illegal. At most they should be used in extreme situations under strict guidance How do you expect me to support something that has destroyed mine and others' mental health? I would give anything to go back to having never taken these drugs

maxbond 3y ago
> How do you expect me to support something that has destroyed mine and others' mental health? I'm sorry to hear that you were hurt by psilocybin and other drugs. Unfortunately I think a recreational drug culture is ill equipped to understand and manage the hazards of powerful hallucinogenics drugs, and that too many people are left with bad and even traumatic experiences. But doesn't this go both ways? How do you expect people who found a profound benefit from psilocybin not to discuss their experiences? I can understand advocating for caution, absolutely, but you're implying in your earlier comment that you believe they're deluding themselves. Why would your experience invalidate theirs?
- bowsamic 3y ago
  Because I personally believe that we should learn to live with our lives as the mind presents it to us instead of trying to fool ourselves into thinking our altered drug states give us some kind of deeper insight into reality, which they obviously don't. They disconnect us more from the universe and our own lives
  - maxbond 3y ago
    It's far from obvious to me. Drugs have helped me to understand myself, the way my perception works, and the nature of reality. They've also helped me to manage my anxiety and depression. You can tell me that's an illusion, but you'd be mistaken. And how would you know whether my experiences were false? You couldn't possibly.
    - bowsamic 3y ago
      > Drugs have helped me to understand myself, the way my perception works, and the nature of reality. They haven't, you just think they have. There are real ways to gain such insight, but not through breaking your brain's pattern recognition capabilities. > They've also helped me to manage my anxiety and depression. Well, they are drugs. > You can tell me that's an illusion, but you'd be mistaken. What is an illusion and what isn't? I'm not saying you aren't having those experiences, I'm just saying that they are not actually related to some biological element of yourself, such as you living a human life. Psychedelics breaks our pattern recognition, sense data starts to get interpreted in different ways and we see, hear, and feel sense data in a different way. They just fuzz up the control system of your brain. While it's true that your normal experiences are not somehow "less illusory" than those drug experiences, it is true that they are a more accurate model of external reality. Your mind is constantly refreshing its own model of reality, according to received inputs. Psychedelics totally mess up your model of reality. The problem is that now you are attaching to this messed up model of reality as somehow real and insightful. It's not, it's just what happens when your brain isn't functioning properly.
      - maxbond 3y ago
        It's very strange to me to hear a Buddhist argue that I should forgo something which eases my suffering and advances my spiritual practice because of my biology! Also very strange to hear a Buddhist proclaim they not only understand reality, but reality from my perspective. I'm not a Buddhist, but I've been studying Zen lately (though I understand you may subscribe to a different interpretation), and this really flies in the face of everything I've learned. There's only one person in this world who gets to decide whether my brain is functioning properly, and whether my understanding of reality is advancing my material and spiritual goals. I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine who that person is.
npteljes 3y ago
I respect your experience in this. If you would like others to understand your point, you need to add your experience, not just sling "get a grip, druggie" to the conversation.
- bowsamic 3y ago
  I see so much pro-drug propaganda on sites like this and others that it barely seems worth putting in the effort to try to get others to understand
  - creata 3y ago
    Maybe, but there's no point in half-assing it like this.