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>bond PRC rates are basically steady and has been for past 10 years, vs US treasuries / bond market undergoing recent yield curve drama. The story isn't PRC bo
by dirtyid 3y ago
>bond
PRC rates are basically steady and has been for past 10 years, vs US treasuries / bond market undergoing recent yield curve drama. The story isn't PRC bonds are spectacular, but PRC bond/banking is steady vs US whose currently not. The broader point being indicators reflect PRC is doing basically fine, it's not collapsing due to exogenous crisis like western MSM tries to paint. It's doing fine because she's proactively managing economy, including rebalancing problematic sectors. There's a fundmental difference between trying to pour out a 100 alarm fire when your house is ablaze due to negligance vs proactively doing controlled burning to prevent unexpected and potentially said catastrophic blaze. The western media presents the former, to build narrative of collapse. Reality is the latter, aka stable unwinding within economic controls, with comfortable headroom to be in ball park of expected growth of 4-5%, aka essentially still top performing among major economies despite, deliberately amputating parts of itself.
>deflation generally
GENERALLY. There's also analysis on deflation being fine, but it depends on type / cause of deflation. Deflation via improved productivity, i.e. PRC industry being able to bring value down in such analysis is not correlated with depressing economic activity. Especially not to the point of contracting.
>It's certainly not going to be in the league of highly developed countries any time soon.
That's literally the technical definition of high income, of course the western narrative bar is going to moved once PRC reaches technical high income, to but not advanced economy income, but that's officially WB high income. Relative to advacned economy high income, I am the first to state will not happen due to denominator effect, PRC has 600M on 1000rmb per month, aka 40% of the population contributes to 5% of GDP, they're going ot drag down per capita indicators until they die. There's reason Xi's China dream aims for modest IIRC 40k PPP by 2050. But the entire muh high income meme is distraction from broader point that geopolitical competition is about comprehensive national power. PRC doesn't need high per capita income when in aggregate she can outperform, i.e. she's closer to being on par with highly developed US in terms of actual capability than any other "advanced economy" who are frankly to small to even be in the race.
>ridiculous
WTO has preferrential rules if you're a developing country, and PRC enjoys exploiting technicalities. This isn't anything new, when IMF first worked with PRC to agree on per capita income, PRC insisted on 50% lower. PRC has every INCENTIVE to look weaker to multinational institutionals for perks. Current GDP / national accounting grossly deflates input of imputed rent, to the point of knocking 6-8% of GDP. And when PRC smoothes GDP, it under reports as much as it over reports. It should not be surprising PRC games stats to her benefit, but as I said, it's a card with limited shelf life that's ending.
>different kind of trap than middle income trap
No, this is quite literally the central thesis of the middle income trap paper. The TRAP is inability to move up value chains, the pain of the TRAP is being stuck in middle income, because no high value sectors = no high wage. PRC has no issue moving up value chains due to massive high skilled human capita pipeline. At PRC scale, some of PRC will have high value, highish income, somem being multilple advanced countries worth of people. That's enough to escape the industrial trap, but not enough to pull everyone to advanced economic standards. I'm throwing US in the bucket because PRC/US is top 2 rank with 3+ being distant, distant competitor. Very few countries have the aggregate talent pool and ability to coordinate said talent to competently dabble in every sector. Hence US and PRC are least trapped in terms of traps that prevent countries from moving up value chain. The caveate I added is middle income trap is a stupid way to assess economic progress for countries with as many people as PRC (again really PRC and India), because they can have low per capita indicators while in aggregate have significantly more national power. Which TBF the OG paper isn't framed in terms of geopolitical competition, but that's really what people are talking about when they dogwhistle PRC is stuck in middle income - that PRC will have the capabilities of a middle income country, when basically no one else has slight chance of being US peer competitor (as acknowledged by US). Hence PRC, by virtue of having reasonably developed core tech in almost every sector is as trapped as US (aka least trapped) if you apply the actual reasoning of middle income trap in a geopolitical context.
- refurb 3y ago>PRC rates are basically steady and has been for past 10 years Of course it has because economic growth has been steady. Not to mentioned the fixed exchange rate and capital controls. But a "steady" interest rate is hardly the mark of a vibrant economy or that the economy is doing fine. The fact that youth unemployment is so high, exports are dropping as is foreign investment, are far more important signs that China has some serious economic challenges ahead.
- dirtyid 3y agoThe economy is doing fine because 4-5% growth is fine. It's Japan growth rate from mid 70s, or SKR in 00s. JP is 5x larger economy than mid 70s. SKR is closer to 3x than 00s. I don't know if one calls that trajectory vibrant, but PRC 3-5x bigger than it is now in 25-50 years is charitably, fine. Especially vs most others. Which is important framing, because it's PRC vs others not PRC vs PRC's past. (Urban) Youth unemployment is high because PRC talent pipeline is finally firing on all cyclinders and graduating largest cohort of 12m this year. Even 50% youth unemployment that's 6m new skilled entering workforce, trending towards 50-100m of just new STEM by 2050, when US set to expand by 40m population total. Broad unemployment 5%, meaning youth get jobs eventually. Is it a challenge to make so many skilled jobs? Yes, but reality is even reaping 50% is the greatest skilled demographic divident in recorded history concentrated in one country. And this is demographically baked in based on previous 22-30 years of birth (cohorts for future tertiary). Geoeconomically, vs west who has talent shortage, youth unemployment curse / challenge is also blessing of not knowing what to do with excess talent, as PRC moves from 25% skilled workforce of developing country to 50/60/70+ of advanced economies by hammering tertiary according to plan. For reference current PRC has like (napkin math) ~25M STEM (many fresh) vs US ~35M. If she's @50% youth unemployment that's 4-5 years before eclipsing US in STEM pool. That's a recipe for an economy doing fine, where by fine is enough talent to compete with US/west in every sector. Hence even dogshit baseline of PRC 50% unemployment rate, as in permenant, 50% of PRC youths becomes NEET and not eventually finding jobs like current stats reflect (and basic common sense), PRC is still US/west bloc peer competitor territory. Potential of PRC doing dogshit is inherently very high due to scale, let alone fine. Exports dropping because EVERYONE's exports dropping due to global contraction. Meanwhile PRC increased exports by 1T in last 4 years, more than the previous 10. It's categorically the largest expansion in globalism, also in recorded history. And currently holding on to much of it - her exports is dropping less than others who are MORE export depedentant as % of GDP (20% vs export dependent being 40-90%). This is a 5 steps forward 1 step back drop, not 1 step forward 2 steps back of media framing. FDI has been neglible part of PRC domestic investment as % of GDP in PRC is ~40% vs EU/US/OECD 20-30%. Losing FDI is relative to PRC domestic investment, a paper cut. FDI value is so far = foreign investors have more experienced / risk taking / guidance. But that's a skill indigenous investors need to develop eventually, especially now that it's (again deliberately) unwinding RE so people stop sinking so much savings into housing to direct investment in more productive sectors. TLDR is western reporting over inflates the challenges PRC faces. Some are difficult, maybe even serious. Certainly not "disaster"ous. But many signs people think are serious are not really. IMO nothing as challenging as 90s SEO / iron rice bowl reforms. Trends point to PRC being fine. And PRC being fine, relative to rest/west, is PRC comprehensive power growing greatly.