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Won’t this reinforce filter bubbles? One of the nice things about hn is hearing people you disagree with make polite arguments, even when you aren’t in the mood
by barbariangrunge 3y ago
Won’t this reinforce filter bubbles? One of the nice things about hn is hearing people you disagree with make polite arguments, even when you aren’t in the mood to hear it
- omniglottal 3y agoDissenting opinion is one thing. Corporate/nationalistic shills, another entirely.
- lolinder 3y agoI maintain mental lists similar to this tool, and my mental "foes" list isn't people I tend to disagree with, it's people whose style of discourse is inflammatory and counterproductive. This style has tended to get more upvotes lately than it used to, and it creates whole subtrees that aren't worth reading because emotions are running hot. Having this mental list helps me in exactly the way TFA describes: if I see one of the bad names I can immediately collapse the whole subtree and avoid the whole argument that ensues. Edit: To be clear, I wouldn't use a tool like this, I think it's healthier for the list to remain in my head. It's less permanent that way, so if a user improves over time then their "foe" status will naturally fade. I'm just explaining how someone could use a tool like this for non-ideological reasons.
- adsharma 3y agoThen why not run the comment through a classifier and label the comment instead of the person? Like this one: https://huggingface.co/alexgshaw/hyperpartisan-classifier https://huggingface.co/alexgshaw/hyperpartisan-classifier
- godelski 3y agoI think that the mental list has an advantage in that it is highly forgetful. Someone has to make a real impression on you (or at least be quite active) for you to form an opinion about them in one way or another. Otherwise all comments return to equal footing quite quickly. I find this a feature and not a bug, in that it prevents strong bubbles (bubbles always exist). But then again, I recognize your name but I do not have strong opinions about you. Though I do lean positive.
- rectang 3y agoYou're already ensconced in a filter bubble. The "one big silo" approach of HN guarantees homogeneity. Subcommunities cannot coalesce because anything too far outside the zeitgeist gets brigaded and downvoted out of existence. To nurture wide diversity of opinion, freedom of association is required — not only the freedom to band together, but the freedom to exclude (using tools like hacker/smacker) those who are determined to shut you down.
- maxbond 3y agoI do think that is an interesting and worthwhile perspective, and broadly I agree with it. But I think a better way to do that is to spin up an HN clone, Mastodon instance, or Discord server. I don't think HN can really support that use case, because it goes against the culture and isn't supported by the platform itself.
- krapp 3y agoHN itself can't but there are plenty of third party apps and plugins that do. I'm finding this forum increasingly difficult to use without a blocklist. There is only so much time in the day to give equal time in your head to every asshole that can use a keyboard. This used to be commonly understood netiquette - you don't feed trolls, you killfile them and move on.
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- godelski 3y agoBubbles always exist. They aren't necessarily bad. But there are bubbles within bubbles. Creating very small bubbles is where we run into problems as we approach the echo chamber. A region where we cannot hear opinions other than our own. Disagreement is essential, as all opinions are wrong to some degree. Some are just more wrong than others.
- sanderjd 3y agoWhat does "brigaded" mean, in this instance?