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You cannot claim 3rd party tools that aren't a part of the IDE as a victory for the IDE. That's absurd. If you find editing code with Vim to be indecipherable,

You cannot claim 3rd party tools that aren't a part of the IDE as a victory for the IDE. That's absurd. If you find editing code with Vim to be indecipherable, that suggests you don't understand it, and that your opinion is likely not well informed. I don't blame you or anyone else for not understanding vim because it's an obtuse dinosaur of a program that fails to meet the preconceived notions of modern users. Just understand that you don't know what you're talking about. If you get vim, you'd understand that IDEs are nothing but a bundle of cheap gimmicks.

lfowles 3y ago
I spent over a decade customizing and tweaking my vim installation, but for the past 5+ years I've been team IDE (JetBrains in particular). It's really incomparable if you have a good IDE for your language of choice.
vunderba 3y ago
"You'd understand that IDEs are nothing but a bundle of cheap gimmicks." Honestly, I didn't think that these tabs versus spaces equivalence for IDEs versus text editors still existed today, but apparently people tie their personal identities to their tools more often than I would've expected. Meanwhile, the third camp of people just use the applications that they're comfortable with, preferring to focus on getting the actual work done rather than making sweeping generalizations.
delta_p_delta_x 3y ago
> You cannot claim 3rd party tools that aren't a part of the IDE as a victory for the IDE They're not 'third-party tools'. That's what the 'integrated' in 'IDE' stands for, you don't need to maintain and pull a disparate collection of tools; there is one install and everything including the linter, compiler, linker, debugger, runner, profiler, benchmark, package manager, and version control system is part of it.
- JoeyBananas 3y ago
  If you can count cmake et. Al. As features of an IDE, Vim can also claim these tools as features, and thus it is an IDE by your definition.

lfowles 3y ago

I spent over a decade customizing and tweaking my vim installation, but for the past 5+ years I've been team IDE (JetBrains in particular). It's really incomparable if you have a good IDE for your language of choice.

vunderba 3y ago

"You'd understand that IDEs are nothing but a bundle of cheap gimmicks." Honestly, I didn't think that these tabs versus spaces equivalence for IDEs versus text editors still existed today, but apparently people tie their personal identities to their tools more often than I would've expected. Meanwhile, the third camp of people just use the applications that they're comfortable with, preferring to focus on getting the actual work done rather than making sweeping generalizations.

delta_p_delta_x 3y ago

> You cannot claim 3rd party tools that aren't a part of the IDE as a victory for the IDE They're not 'third-party tools'. That's what the 'integrated' in 'IDE' stands for, you don't need to maintain and pull a disparate collection of tools; there is one install and everything including the linter, compiler, linker, debugger, runner, profiler, benchmark, package manager, and version control system is part of it.

JoeyBananas 3y ago
If you can count cmake et. Al. As features of an IDE, Vim can also claim these tools as features, and thus it is an IDE by your definition.