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> "...seniority benefits/protections would be huge for our industry as there is a lot of rampant ageism and young naive work alcoholics." Already trying to loc
by ThrowawayR2 3y ago
> "...seniority benefits/protections would be huge for our industry as there is a lot of rampant ageism and young naive work alcoholics."
Already trying to lock out the young, energetic, and ambitious using seniority systems? At least you're honest about it.
If you're young and you're considering supporting unionization for developers, keep in mind that people like the parent poster are your future seniors. They're marketing unionization to you to secure their own jobs (which developers who are at least average shouldn't even need to worry about) and then maybe yours as a secondary consideration.
[EDIT] I came across an example of the layoff selection process for SPEEA, a union of aerospace engineers, from https://m.kuow.org/stories/boeing-layoffs https://m.kuow.org/stories/boeing-layoffs
"At SPEEA, the process is different. Engineers are assigned a ranking by their managers based on their perception of their ability.
One is the top rank, 3 is the lowest: new workers are a 3. When there are layoffs, 3s go first. An engineer must work 20 years before they are at least partially shielded from the ranking system. At 20 years, an engineer ranked a 3 gets bumped to a 2. As cuts get deeper they push into the higher ranks."
Can't say I'm too enthused about long-termers getting partially shielded from ranking since some of them are likely to be deadwood.
- candiddevmike 3y agoI don't know what causes folks like you to be so selfish and short sighted. You're going to be a long-termer someday (or you'll be in management and work towards exploiting union folks). Your life shouldn't revolve around work. Having the peace of mind of being shielded from layoffs because you've been working for 20+ years is huge. Hot shot developers and the rugged individualism doesn't jive with human life--most of us want to work to live not live to work.
- AnthonyMouse 3y agoBut you're not preventing layoffs, you're guaranteeing that they happen to recent employees, who rightly do not prefer this. The same also makes it more expensive for you to switch jobs (you lose your seniority), which reduces your negotiating leverage.