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The weather in Cairo for the next week looks like central Texas. Nobody tries to live in central Texas without Air Conditioning.

refurb 3y ago
You can acclimatize. I lived in Vietnam and most people there don't have A/C. Temperatures are often 33C-35C during the day and with the humidity it feels like 38C-40C. Hell, there are construction workers in heavy clothing working outside all day in those temperatures.
- anonym29 3y ago
  "You can acclimatize" This attitude is what causes deaths due to heat exhaustion. It really ought to be a criminal offense for landlords / builders to NOT install AC in such regions. Not having AC is literally a death sentence in places with wet bulb events, including countries like Vietnam, as well as cities in the US like Seattle, Houston, and Miami.
  - jeremyjh 3y ago
    Maybe you are unaware, that both purchase and operation of AC takes money, and in some places people don't have a lot of that.
    - anonym29 3y ago
      I don't think you have any understanding of how quickly a human will die in a wet bulb event. AC is, by the actual definition of 'literally', literally more important to sustaining human life than FOOD is, on wet bulb days.
      - guraf 3y ago
        And FOOD cost less than a dollar per day in those places. An AC, including electricity, and assuming their house is airtight enough to keep the cold, costs the same as 20 years worth of food. Check your privilege, as they say.
  - School-Cotton 3y ago
    I lived in Seattle for three years, never had AC. It’s weird to see it on the same list as Houston. Are you sure you’re not confusing it with somewhere else? Or has the climate in Seattle really changed that dramatically since I lived there 7 years ago?
    - asciimov 3y ago
      The 2021 heat wave killed 120 people in Seattle.
    - anonym29 3y ago
      Besides 159 people dying from heat exhaustion in under a month just 2 years ago? Nah, not much. Still >50% of residential buildings do not have AC due to widespread climate change denial in the area. "We didn't need AC in the past, so we don't need it now!" and all. https://www.washington.edu/news/2023/04/06/washington-states-2021-heat-wave-contributed-to-159-excess-injury-deaths-over-three-weeks/ https://www.washington.edu/news/2023/04/06/washington-states...
  - marcus_holmes 3y ago
    Have lived in several hot places (and some cold ones). You can acclimatise. 40C+ heat is harsh at first, but it's very survivable and you do get used to it. Worst I had was working in a furniture factory which was just a big tin shed with no A/C in a 45c+ heatwave in Australia. It was pretty brutal, I've never sweated so much in my life, but no harm done. The cold, however, is worse. Living in cold countries with no (or bad) heating is horrible, and much more dangerous. People sleep outdoors in SE Asia with no problem. People die in their homes by the thousands every winter in Europe.
    - defrost 3y ago
      Dry bulb over 40C tempretures in dry desert parts of Australia are very very different to over 40C tempretures in pre monsoon north Queensland. When the humidty is high your sweat has no cooling effect and your body heats up to the point of collapse.
      - marcus_holmes 3y ago
        I've lived in SE Asia, with hot wet 40+ temperatures. Yes, it's very uncomfortable, and AC is necessary to actually live there. But it doesn't kill like the cold does.
        refurb 3y ago
        The very fact that large swaths of SE Asia doesn’t even have AC would suggest it’s not necessary for survival.
    - guraf 3y ago
      > People die in their homes by the thousands every winter in Europe. I find that hard to believe. Do you have a source? Preferably one that doesn't include zone of wars.
      - fy20 3y ago
        I'd imagine it's not that they literally freeze to death, but in cold humid places if you want to save money on heating you will turn down the thermostat and keep windows closed. Poor ventilation in those conditions leads to poor indoor air quality and causes mold, which causes illness.
  - refurb 3y ago
    You do realize that the median income monthly income is $277USD/month, right? A/C is a luxury for most. And even if builders put A/C in, many don't have the money to spend on electricity to run it. Hell, when I lived in Singapore (3 degree from the equator), most homes had A/C, but many, many people never used it because the electricity was something they didn't want to spend their money on. People have been living in that region for thousands of years, of which only the last 50 years has A/C been an option.
    - anonym29 3y ago
      You say this like the climate hasn't changed so much in the last 50 years that AC has gone from a luxury to a necessity in many parts of the world. A substantial and growing portion of the planet is inhospitable to human life without AC.
      - guraf 3y ago
        Tons of things are necessities: food, water, medicine, clothing. You repeating that doesn't change the fact than many people CAN'T AFFORD IT. Doesn't matter if they'll die without it, doesn't matter if you feel they should be forced to have one. The reality doesn't care about your feelings.
      - refurb 3y ago
        > You say this like the climate hasn't changed so much in the last 50 years that AC has gone from a luxury to a necessity in many parts of the world. Empirically it has not. Just because Americans who aren't acclimatized to high temperatures "need" A/C, doesn't mean it's a necessity, considering people living in far hotter climates do without.
  - csomar 3y ago
    Glad the regulators in Vietnam don’t think like you. Otherwise, the people who couldn’t afford A/C would be homeless now and die from both the heat and homelessness.
bawolff 3y ago
I assume people did back before air conditioning was invented
- School-Cotton 3y ago
  People even lived in Phoenix before air conditioning was invented, which is mind-blowing to me. I grew up in Phoenix and I can’t remember having ever been in a building without air conditioning in the summer.
  - nocoiner 3y ago
    Phoenix with air conditioning is a pleasant enough place that millions of people want to live there. Phoenix without air conditioning - well, it’s a much smaller number.

refurb 3y ago

You can acclimatize. I lived in Vietnam and most people there don't have A/C. Temperatures are often 33C-35C during the day and with the humidity it feels like 38C-40C. Hell, there are construction workers in heavy clothing working outside all day in those temperatures.

anonym29 3y ago
"You can acclimatize" This attitude is what causes deaths due to heat exhaustion. It really ought to be a criminal offense for landlords / builders to NOT install AC in such regions. Not having AC is literally a death sentence in places with wet bulb events, including countries like Vietnam, as well as cities in the US like Seattle, Houston, and Miami.
- jeremyjh 3y ago
  Maybe you are unaware, that both purchase and operation of AC takes money, and in some places people don't have a lot of that.
  - anonym29 3y ago
    I don't think you have any understanding of how quickly a human will die in a wet bulb event. AC is, by the actual definition of 'literally', literally more important to sustaining human life than FOOD is, on wet bulb days.
    - guraf 3y ago
      And FOOD cost less than a dollar per day in those places. An AC, including electricity, and assuming their house is airtight enough to keep the cold, costs the same as 20 years worth of food. Check your privilege, as they say.
- School-Cotton 3y ago
  I lived in Seattle for three years, never had AC. It’s weird to see it on the same list as Houston. Are you sure you’re not confusing it with somewhere else? Or has the climate in Seattle really changed that dramatically since I lived there 7 years ago?
  - asciimov 3y ago
    The 2021 heat wave killed 120 people in Seattle.
  - anonym29 3y ago
    Besides 159 people dying from heat exhaustion in under a month just 2 years ago? Nah, not much. Still >50% of residential buildings do not have AC due to widespread climate change denial in the area. "We didn't need AC in the past, so we don't need it now!" and all. https://www.washington.edu/news/2023/04/06/washington-states-2021-heat-wave-contributed-to-159-excess-injury-deaths-over-three-weeks/ https://www.washington.edu/news/2023/04/06/washington-states...
- marcus_holmes 3y ago
  Have lived in several hot places (and some cold ones). You can acclimatise. 40C+ heat is harsh at first, but it's very survivable and you do get used to it. Worst I had was working in a furniture factory which was just a big tin shed with no A/C in a 45c+ heatwave in Australia. It was pretty brutal, I've never sweated so much in my life, but no harm done. The cold, however, is worse. Living in cold countries with no (or bad) heating is horrible, and much more dangerous. People sleep outdoors in SE Asia with no problem. People die in their homes by the thousands every winter in Europe.
  - defrost 3y ago
    Dry bulb over 40C tempretures in dry desert parts of Australia are very very different to over 40C tempretures in pre monsoon north Queensland. When the humidty is high your sweat has no cooling effect and your body heats up to the point of collapse.
    - marcus_holmes 3y ago
      I've lived in SE Asia, with hot wet 40+ temperatures. Yes, it's very uncomfortable, and AC is necessary to actually live there. But it doesn't kill like the cold does.
      - refurb 3y ago
        The very fact that large swaths of SE Asia doesn’t even have AC would suggest it’s not necessary for survival.
  - guraf 3y ago
    > People die in their homes by the thousands every winter in Europe. I find that hard to believe. Do you have a source? Preferably one that doesn't include zone of wars.
    - fy20 3y ago
      I'd imagine it's not that they literally freeze to death, but in cold humid places if you want to save money on heating you will turn down the thermostat and keep windows closed. Poor ventilation in those conditions leads to poor indoor air quality and causes mold, which causes illness.
- refurb 3y ago
  You do realize that the median income monthly income is $277USD/month, right? A/C is a luxury for most. And even if builders put A/C in, many don't have the money to spend on electricity to run it. Hell, when I lived in Singapore (3 degree from the equator), most homes had A/C, but many, many people never used it because the electricity was something they didn't want to spend their money on. People have been living in that region for thousands of years, of which only the last 50 years has A/C been an option.
  - anonym29 3y ago
    You say this like the climate hasn't changed so much in the last 50 years that AC has gone from a luxury to a necessity in many parts of the world. A substantial and growing portion of the planet is inhospitable to human life without AC.
    - guraf 3y ago
      Tons of things are necessities: food, water, medicine, clothing. You repeating that doesn't change the fact than many people CAN'T AFFORD IT. Doesn't matter if they'll die without it, doesn't matter if you feel they should be forced to have one. The reality doesn't care about your feelings.
    - refurb 3y ago
      > You say this like the climate hasn't changed so much in the last 50 years that AC has gone from a luxury to a necessity in many parts of the world. Empirically it has not. Just because Americans who aren't acclimatized to high temperatures "need" A/C, doesn't mean it's a necessity, considering people living in far hotter climates do without.
- csomar 3y ago
  Glad the regulators in Vietnam don’t think like you. Otherwise, the people who couldn’t afford A/C would be homeless now and die from both the heat and homelessness.

bawolff 3y ago

I assume people did back before air conditioning was invented

School-Cotton 3y ago
People even lived in Phoenix before air conditioning was invented, which is mind-blowing to me. I grew up in Phoenix and I can’t remember having ever been in a building without air conditioning in the summer.
- nocoiner 3y ago
  Phoenix with air conditioning is a pleasant enough place that millions of people want to live there. Phoenix without air conditioning - well, it’s a much smaller number.