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Russians are motivated by the fact that several million holders of Russian citizenship are living in the area that Ukraine is set to reconquer. Most of whose d
by thriftwy 3y ago
Russians are motivated by the fact that several million holders of Russian citizenship are living in the area that Ukraine is set to reconquer.
Most of whose did not live under Ukrainian control for a decade now.
- jncfhnb 3y agoRussia doesn’t give a shit about those people.
- tjrgergw 3y agoYes, if there's anything we've learned from this war is how motivated Russians are /s
- jacquesm 3y agoThey are free to move back to where they came from and if they lived there before they are equally free to stay. Those who did not live under Ukrainian control have lived under occupation.
- thriftwy 3y agoMaybe that prospect is good enough for you. For all of it, you do not care about any consequences, as you did not care about the fate of ethnic Serbs in Kosovo. Russians understand what's going on here and are motivated to not let that happen. At the moment they are successful.
- jacquesm 3y ago> Russians understand what's going on here That's just funny. Seriously, I can't tell if you're trolling or serious but on the off chance that you are serious: you're so misinformed it is tragic, at the same time you are apparently able to fix that and refuse to do so. Which makes me wonder why. I have enough contacts in former USSR countries and inside Russia itself to know that this sentiment is prevalent, wilful misunderstanding as some kind of defense mechanism. But in the modern day with ample access to information you really have no excuse. Serbia will have to come to terms with the degree to which Russia has been using them at some point. This probably won't happen until Russia itself has gone through an enlightenment and shaken of the current crop of mobsters. I'm not holding my breath for that one.
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- Ancapistani 3y agoWith the exception of the language issue, pretty much all of the above describes the US as well. The South and Midwest are far more cohesive with regard to each other than the coastal cities and Pacific Northwest, and vice versa. Every 4-8 years we tend to "overthrow" the preferred Presidential candidate of one of those two factions - as flawed as they are - through a democratic process. One of those factions prefers stronger social programs while the other prefers weaker. Note that I explicitly don't intend for this comment to become about the US civil war, and will not respond to any comments about the historical or social conditions there. For that matter, it also describes Canada to a large extent; there is a large, geographically concentrated faction of Francophones and a similarly large, geographically concentrated faction of Anglophones. They have significantly divergent histories, social norms, and so on. In fact... every large country with which I'm familiar that does not share a single common history and culture has these issues. They all seem to come to a workable system for integrating their factions into a single political system absent outside force. I see no reason Ukraine shouldn't be able to do that same, given a few decades to get there.
- thesmok 3y agoRussian citizenship is not something that people cherish or want. Most of the Russian territory and population has been occupied at some point: Siberia long time ago, Caucasus in the past centuries, Crimea in 2014. Russians don't care about those people the same way the care about their own.
- thriftwy 3y ago4 out of 5 Russian citizens are ethnic Russians, and those are prevalent in Siberia, in Russian Far East, in Crimea and (arguably) in the "new territories" also. Russian citizenship is a prized asset in the post-USSR countries to the extent that people spend effort to move to Russian Federation and pay money to engage in shady schemes to obtain it.