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Let's see if I understand your take: Men are naturally amoral and violent. We should force victims to accommodate the perpetrators amongst them and see if tha

Let's see if I understand your take: Men are naturally amoral and violent. We should force victims to accommodate the perpetrators amongst them and see if that helps. Many women don't even want hang out with rapists in Antarctica. --- Damn, and they say we feminists have a negative view of men. As an alternative to this take, we could hold violent criminals accountable without regard to gender or distance from the equator.

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lusus_naturae 3y ago
Yeah, promise of punishment is an effective deterrent for a lot of this behavior.
- corethree 3y ago
  What are you going to do? Make a police force and jail in the Antarctic to punish people? Again who are the people willing to go to Antarctica to form these systems of justice? Single Men. You will be further enlarging the ratio of men to women, and thus further exacerbating the problem.
corethree 3y ago
>Men are naturally amoral and violent. No. Humans have competing instincts that dictate behavior. It is a multivariate situation that is highly complex. If I am starving, my survival and hunger instinct will take over. I will violate all my moral imperatives to fulfill that survival instinct. In men, sexual instinct is strong. Not as strong as survival, but certainly way more stronger than women. It's so strong that it basically manifests itself as an urge. If you deprive men away from fulfilling these desires it becomes almost like hunger. It's biology. Men are just built this way. It is what it is. >We should force victims to accommodate the perpetrators amongst them and see if that helps. No. The victims choose to put themselves in a dangerous environment. You cannot change the behavior of a starving man. The only real way to do it is to feed the man. I am offering the best solution should the woman choose to put her self in that position. As a feminist you demand more. You demand the starving man to conduct himself in obedience to the law, to conduct his behavior according to morals and education. That is a view point that is not inline with reality. People have to eat. Sexual urges for men are not as strong as hunger, that is admittedly an exaggeration to help you understand. But I will say that sexual urges in men are extremely strong, so strong that the comparison is highly apt. You cannot hope to control it by going on a protest. You have to realize feminism exists mainly because there are a lot of men who support the movement. Should all men on earth decide to be against feminism, the movement will die. A lot of these men support the movement because they have wives, daughters and girlfriends they care about. Single men can support feminism too, but they have a lot less incentive to do so. These single men make up a huge portion of the people in Antarctica. >Many women don't even want hang out with rapists in Antarctica. Then don't. You should understand male psychology and deal with the situation realistically rather then demand some unrealistic ideal be upheld. Men built civilization, we built the law and societies that both genders live in. It is only within the last century that the concept of gender equality has come to fruition. But the biological reality of the difference between sexes is still very real and tradition of centuries of human society cannot be simply erased. If we want true gender equality we have to attack it from a realistic angle. We have to acknowledge dark realities of both male (and female) behavior and achieve equality through true scientific understanding. The situation in Antarctica was just a time bomb waiting to happen. It's obvious. This idea that we expect people to just behave according to some ideal when it that ideal goes against human nature and biology is crazy. It just won't work. >Damn, and they say we feminists have a negative view of men. That stereotypical view is familiar to everyone. Everyone recognizes an aspect of it as a sort of general truth. All men in general feel dark sexual urges and we all somewhat understand the desires behind why a man would choose to rape a woman. What isn't recognized among feminists (and society in general) is that women have a very dark aspect about them as well. But that's another topic. >As an alternative to this take, we could hold violent criminals accountable without regard to gender or distance from the equator. This is another problem with people. These random assumptions. I wasn't talking about accountability here. I was talking about solutions to solve the problem. Accountability is a different topic. I'm not saying whether those harassers are right or wrong (I think they're wrong) I'm saying the steps that need to be done to solve the problem. You are relying on "accountability" to solve the problem as if that matters in Antarctica. They are cut off from contact from the rest of society. Woman can't go the traditional institutions that are normally there to assist them and ask for help. You can try to rebuild those institutions in Antarctica, but realize those institutions will be made up of lonely single men because those are mostly the only people willing to go there. It's just reality.
- corinroyal 3y ago
  Not raping people is "an ideal" for you? That's really useful to know. A lot of people would prefer not to be around someone with an admitted propensity for violent crime. I don't think most of us have such a hard time refraining from hurting people for kicks as you appear to. Honestly, I can't even remember the last time I committed a felony due to sexual frustration. Usually, I just take care of business myself. But perhaps I'm old-fashioned, don't confuse sex and rape, or lack your terrifying sense of entitlement.
  - corethree 3y ago
    >Not raping people is "an ideal" for you? That's really useful to know It is an ideal for me. It should be an ideal for everybody. By saying this are you saying it's Not an ideal for you? So you want people to get raped? Are you a rapist? No you obviously aren't... and me saying that you want people to get raped is a stupid and manipulative thing to say. So I refuse to say that this sentence applies to you. I bring it up only to show you how stupid and manipulative you're being by accusing me of such things. Do not act immature and say things like that. Have an honest discussion. >I don't think most of us have such a hard time refraining from hurting people for kicks as you appear to. Honestly, I can't even remember the last time I committed a felony due to sexual frustration. Usually, I just take care of business myself. But perhaps I'm old-fashioned, don't confuse sex and rape, or lack your terrifying sense of entitlement. Stop take a deep breath and learn to have a mature discussion. This is HN not a feminist rally. Personal attacks are not welcome on any venue even when you are in complete disagreement with another persons viewpoint. I will say something that will really piss you off. When I discuss controversial topics with men, most of them are level headed enough to stay logical and rational even in the face of view points radically different from their own. It's usually the women who stoop to your level of using these tactics. Is what I said true? Prove me wrong, or don't. A lot of women basically reach out for anything, any hanging fruit they can use as verbal weaponry and then they go for the freaking heart. It's bone chilling and deadly the way they do it.
    - corinroyal 3y ago
      You're just a fount of unconventional wisdom, aren't you? Today I learned that: - All men, except maybe defective gay men, are ticking time bombs who will commit violent felonies if their whims are not catered to consistently - While we punish murderers and home invaders, rapists are a special class of criminal that deserves accommodation - Suggesting that rape is something that men can and should choose not to do is illogical - Admitting on a public forum that if you reach a certain level of sexual frustration, you may fail to uphold your "ideal" of refraining from committing a violent assault--that's totally rational - In other news, Freedom is Slavery I'm convinced. I think that we should radically reorient society so that it's focused on catering to the sexual needs of straight men. Otherwise we'll just be awash in rape and there are absolutely no other solutions. I wish there were another way, but a very stable genius on HN told me this, and they are a man who works in tech, so they're obviously an expert on everything, except self-control apparently. What's so striking about your argument is how utterly pessimistic you are about men's capacity for moral action. Essentially you are saying that men are a criminal class too large to kill or control and that the best we can do is to try not to provoke them. If a feminist expressed that level of hatred for men, we'd be rightly pilloried. But then, maybe I'm expecting too much of the rape enthusiast community. Call me a traditionalist, but I'll stick with Feminism and Christianity which tell me that I get to make my own choices whether to rape or love.

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lusus_naturae 3y ago

Yeah, promise of punishment is an effective deterrent for a lot of this behavior.

corethree 3y ago
What are you going to do? Make a police force and jail in the Antarctic to punish people? Again who are the people willing to go to Antarctica to form these systems of justice? Single Men. You will be further enlarging the ratio of men to women, and thus further exacerbating the problem.

corethree 3y ago

>Men are naturally amoral and violent. No. Humans have competing instincts that dictate behavior. It is a multivariate situation that is highly complex. If I am starving, my survival and hunger instinct will take over. I will violate all my moral imperatives to fulfill that survival instinct. In men, sexual instinct is strong. Not as strong as survival, but certainly way more stronger than women. It's so strong that it basically manifests itself as an urge. If you deprive men away from fulfilling these desires it becomes almost like hunger. It's biology. Men are just built this way. It is what it is. >We should force victims to accommodate the perpetrators amongst them and see if that helps. No. The victims choose to put themselves in a dangerous environment. You cannot change the behavior of a starving man. The only real way to do it is to feed the man. I am offering the best solution should the woman choose to put her self in that position. As a feminist you demand more. You demand the starving man to conduct himself in obedience to the law, to conduct his behavior according to morals and education. That is a view point that is not inline with reality. People have to eat. Sexual urges for men are not as strong as hunger, that is admittedly an exaggeration to help you understand. But I will say that sexual urges in men are extremely strong, so strong that the comparison is highly apt. You cannot hope to control it by going on a protest. You have to realize feminism exists mainly because there are a lot of men who support the movement. Should all men on earth decide to be against feminism, the movement will die. A lot of these men support the movement because they have wives, daughters and girlfriends they care about. Single men can support feminism too, but they have a lot less incentive to do so. These single men make up a huge portion of the people in Antarctica. >Many women don't even want hang out with rapists in Antarctica. Then don't. You should understand male psychology and deal with the situation realistically rather then demand some unrealistic ideal be upheld. Men built civilization, we built the law and societies that both genders live in. It is only within the last century that the concept of gender equality has come to fruition. But the biological reality of the difference between sexes is still very real and tradition of centuries of human society cannot be simply erased. If we want true gender equality we have to attack it from a realistic angle. We have to acknowledge dark realities of both male (and female) behavior and achieve equality through true scientific understanding. The situation in Antarctica was just a time bomb waiting to happen. It's obvious. This idea that we expect people to just behave according to some ideal when it that ideal goes against human nature and biology is crazy. It just won't work. >Damn, and they say we feminists have a negative view of men. That stereotypical view is familiar to everyone. Everyone recognizes an aspect of it as a sort of general truth. All men in general feel dark sexual urges and we all somewhat understand the desires behind why a man would choose to rape a woman. What isn't recognized among feminists (and society in general) is that women have a very dark aspect about them as well. But that's another topic. >As an alternative to this take, we could hold violent criminals accountable without regard to gender or distance from the equator. This is another problem with people. These random assumptions. I wasn't talking about accountability here. I was talking about solutions to solve the problem. Accountability is a different topic. I'm not saying whether those harassers are right or wrong (I think they're wrong) I'm saying the steps that need to be done to solve the problem. You are relying on "accountability" to solve the problem as if that matters in Antarctica. They are cut off from contact from the rest of society. Woman can't go the traditional institutions that are normally there to assist them and ask for help. You can try to rebuild those institutions in Antarctica, but realize those institutions will be made up of lonely single men because those are mostly the only people willing to go there. It's just reality.

corinroyal 3y ago
Not raping people is "an ideal" for you? That's really useful to know. A lot of people would prefer not to be around someone with an admitted propensity for violent crime. I don't think most of us have such a hard time refraining from hurting people for kicks as you appear to. Honestly, I can't even remember the last time I committed a felony due to sexual frustration. Usually, I just take care of business myself. But perhaps I'm old-fashioned, don't confuse sex and rape, or lack your terrifying sense of entitlement.
- corethree 3y ago
  >Not raping people is "an ideal" for you? That's really useful to know It is an ideal for me. It should be an ideal for everybody. By saying this are you saying it's Not an ideal for you? So you want people to get raped? Are you a rapist? No you obviously aren't... and me saying that you want people to get raped is a stupid and manipulative thing to say. So I refuse to say that this sentence applies to you. I bring it up only to show you how stupid and manipulative you're being by accusing me of such things. Do not act immature and say things like that. Have an honest discussion. >I don't think most of us have such a hard time refraining from hurting people for kicks as you appear to. Honestly, I can't even remember the last time I committed a felony due to sexual frustration. Usually, I just take care of business myself. But perhaps I'm old-fashioned, don't confuse sex and rape, or lack your terrifying sense of entitlement. Stop take a deep breath and learn to have a mature discussion. This is HN not a feminist rally. Personal attacks are not welcome on any venue even when you are in complete disagreement with another persons viewpoint. I will say something that will really piss you off. When I discuss controversial topics with men, most of them are level headed enough to stay logical and rational even in the face of view points radically different from their own. It's usually the women who stoop to your level of using these tactics. Is what I said true? Prove me wrong, or don't. A lot of women basically reach out for anything, any hanging fruit they can use as verbal weaponry and then they go for the freaking heart. It's bone chilling and deadly the way they do it.
  - corinroyal 3y ago
    You're just a fount of unconventional wisdom, aren't you? Today I learned that: - All men, except maybe defective gay men, are ticking time bombs who will commit violent felonies if their whims are not catered to consistently - While we punish murderers and home invaders, rapists are a special class of criminal that deserves accommodation - Suggesting that rape is something that men can and should choose not to do is illogical - Admitting on a public forum that if you reach a certain level of sexual frustration, you may fail to uphold your "ideal" of refraining from committing a violent assault--that's totally rational - In other news, Freedom is Slavery I'm convinced. I think that we should radically reorient society so that it's focused on catering to the sexual needs of straight men. Otherwise we'll just be awash in rape and there are absolutely no other solutions. I wish there were another way, but a very stable genius on HN told me this, and they are a man who works in tech, so they're obviously an expert on everything, except self-control apparently. What's so striking about your argument is how utterly pessimistic you are about men's capacity for moral action. Essentially you are saying that men are a criminal class too large to kill or control and that the best we can do is to try not to provoke them. If a feminist expressed that level of hatred for men, we'd be rightly pilloried. But then, maybe I'm expecting too much of the rape enthusiast community. Call me a traditionalist, but I'll stick with Feminism and Christianity which tell me that I get to make my own choices whether to rape or love.