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Russian Military blogger on Telegram. He spoke about the attack and the challenges, Ukraine said that 13 of the 16 made it to the intended targets. There will b

Russian Military blogger on Telegram. He spoke about the attack and the challenges, Ukraine said that 13 of the 16 made it to the intended targets. There will be video or satellite imagery released at some point. I tend to believe these reports since I understand who is providing the targeting information with precise coordinates and information. You can believe what you like.

rjzzleep 3y ago
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- KeplerBoy 3y ago
  it's called fog of war for a reason. You shouldn't take anything at face value.
- ChumpGPT 3y ago
  This was about the Australian drone and it's possible potential as an extremely cheap and powerful weapon. The reason it's even in the news is because they were used recently and the imagery of a downed drone and attack location was released by the Russians, not the Ukrainians. Somehow your response has turned into a tirade against Ukraine and their claims and every other grievance you have for Ukraine.
  - rjzzleep 3y ago
    This is about accountability. When a person constantly lies you cannot just take their claims at face value. All the things I wrote were official statements from Ukrainian government officials including the Ukrainian MoD. As such there is currently no data corroborating the claims that the Australian drone is as good as it claims. What we do know so far is that the Geran(Shahed) and the Lancets have shown to be quite deadly for the reasons mentioned above. Although the Geran is not a loitering munition. It is entirely possible that the Australian drone is performing as well, but as of now there is no such data. The last drone that was seen in the battlefields from the Ukrainian side was the switchblade and it was orders of magnitude more expensive than the Australian one and performed abysmal. One thing to note here is that the Russians according to most western publications[1] have been quite successful at jamming GPS guided munition, so even if it is as successful as the Ukrainians claim it will probably not be a game changer in this conflict. [1] https://www.economist.com/special-report/2023/07/03/the-latest-in-the-battle-of-jamming-with-electronic-beams https://www.economist.com/special-report/2023/07/03/the-late...
    - threeseed 3y ago
      Your post is so ridiculous it's actually hilarious. The Australian drone is literally made of cardboard. No one is thinking that it will be a game-changer nor that it is anyway comparable to a high-end, military-spec drone from Iran, US, UK or whoever else. It's designed to be cheap, throwaway and if it is even moderately successful at avoiding detection then I am sure that's just a bonus.
- dotnet00 3y ago
  I feel like you've taken a lot of memes as if they were facts
- saiya-jin 3y ago
  There is absolutely 0 point on checking russian official channels for anything apart from maybe weather forecast. They say truth only by mistake in most topics which would matter to outside observer, or to anybody on anything even remotely political. Russia has a very very long tradition with lies left and right, to the point where entire generations of russian citizens are trained to take those lies apart and find some truth using some obscure negation logic. Or just zone out and ignore it completely, which is convenient for dictatorship there since those folks are very easy to manipulate. I mean in same vein that polar tribes have say 30 names for different types of snow and ice, russians have various names for various types of lies. Go figure.
  - 93po 3y ago
    Russia is far from unique in constantly lying
    - jfengel 3y ago
      They kind of are. Of course all countries use propaganda, and the US is at least as guilty as most. But Russia has a famous history of issuing a constant stream of outright lies. It has a name, маскировка "maskirovka". It goes far past the literal meaning of "camouflage", to the point where a continuous disinformation is used to hide the notion that there might even be such a thing as truth. The idea is to make lying a reflex, in the hope of confusing an enemy into making a mistake. (It also causes your own side to make mistakes. The idea is that the Russian people themselves are used to it, but simply have a somewhat nihilistic approach to any kind of official speech and even unofficial speech.) As I said, every country uses deception. But the Russians really do consider it a cultural trait of its own, meriting its own name. The Wikipedia article doesn't even begin to cover it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_deception https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_deception

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KeplerBoy 3y ago
it's called fog of war for a reason. You shouldn't take anything at face value.
ChumpGPT 3y ago
This was about the Australian drone and it's possible potential as an extremely cheap and powerful weapon. The reason it's even in the news is because they were used recently and the imagery of a downed drone and attack location was released by the Russians, not the Ukrainians. Somehow your response has turned into a tirade against Ukraine and their claims and every other grievance you have for Ukraine.
- rjzzleep 3y ago
  This is about accountability. When a person constantly lies you cannot just take their claims at face value. All the things I wrote were official statements from Ukrainian government officials including the Ukrainian MoD. As such there is currently no data corroborating the claims that the Australian drone is as good as it claims. What we do know so far is that the Geran(Shahed) and the Lancets have shown to be quite deadly for the reasons mentioned above. Although the Geran is not a loitering munition. It is entirely possible that the Australian drone is performing as well, but as of now there is no such data. The last drone that was seen in the battlefields from the Ukrainian side was the switchblade and it was orders of magnitude more expensive than the Australian one and performed abysmal. One thing to note here is that the Russians according to most western publications[1] have been quite successful at jamming GPS guided munition, so even if it is as successful as the Ukrainians claim it will probably not be a game changer in this conflict. [1] https://www.economist.com/special-report/2023/07/03/the-latest-in-the-battle-of-jamming-with-electronic-beams https://www.economist.com/special-report/2023/07/03/the-late...
  - threeseed 3y ago
    Your post is so ridiculous it's actually hilarious. The Australian drone is literally made of cardboard. No one is thinking that it will be a game-changer nor that it is anyway comparable to a high-end, military-spec drone from Iran, US, UK or whoever else. It's designed to be cheap, throwaway and if it is even moderately successful at avoiding detection then I am sure that's just a bonus.
dotnet00 3y ago
I feel like you've taken a lot of memes as if they were facts
saiya-jin 3y ago
There is absolutely 0 point on checking russian official channels for anything apart from maybe weather forecast. They say truth only by mistake in most topics which would matter to outside observer, or to anybody on anything even remotely political. Russia has a very very long tradition with lies left and right, to the point where entire generations of russian citizens are trained to take those lies apart and find some truth using some obscure negation logic. Or just zone out and ignore it completely, which is convenient for dictatorship there since those folks are very easy to manipulate. I mean in same vein that polar tribes have say 30 names for different types of snow and ice, russians have various names for various types of lies. Go figure.
- 93po 3y ago
  Russia is far from unique in constantly lying
  - jfengel 3y ago
    They kind of are. Of course all countries use propaganda, and the US is at least as guilty as most. But Russia has a famous history of issuing a constant stream of outright lies. It has a name, маскировка "maskirovka". It goes far past the literal meaning of "camouflage", to the point where a continuous disinformation is used to hide the notion that there might even be such a thing as truth. The idea is to make lying a reflex, in the hope of confusing an enemy into making a mistake. (It also causes your own side to make mistakes. The idea is that the Russian people themselves are used to it, but simply have a somewhat nihilistic approach to any kind of official speech and even unofficial speech.) As I said, every country uses deception. But the Russians really do consider it a cultural trait of its own, meriting its own name. The Wikipedia article doesn't even begin to cover it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_deception https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_deception